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Other => Off-Topic => Technical Support => Topic started by: NiGHTM4RE on December 25, 2010, 08:41:15 AM
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Okay so I installed a Graphics Card, Geforce 210 1024MB DDR3, on my PC but I get only an average of 23 fps on GTA EFLC. The graphics card requires a 300 watt Power Supply or greater. And no, I did not download GTA EFLC from some torrent, I bought it as discs.
These are my PC Specs:
Operating System: Windows 7
Processor: AMD Athlon II X4 620 Processor 2.60 GHz
PC RAM: 6 GB
Power Supply: 300 Watts
Now the Graphics Card has 1GB of RAM, that's pretty good but I get low fps, so if I upgrade the Power Supply, is it possible that I would get a higher frame rate? Or what else do I need to upgrade in order to get a higher frame rate?
Thanks in advance.
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I've found this info about this card, it's a budgetcard which isn't made for gaming, although it can run most (new) games on low settings. I'm not sure if your powersupply has anything to do with it, the game runs and it doesn't crash so doesn't look like powerproblems to me. Be sure to find out some more info about this card if you can, how does it run GTA4 with other people? On youtube should be enough examples or look for benchmarks.
Btw, size of memory doesn't say a lot about performance, your card can have a lot of memory but if it runs on a low clockspeed it's 'useless'.
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Okay so these are it's Clock speeds:
# 520Mhz GPU Clock Speed
# 1200Mhz Memory Clock Speed
Not sure if it's good or bad?
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I'm not sure if it's good or bad, but my GPU has lower clocksettings and less memory than yours, but it still runs GTA4 good on low settings. So in theory yours should run it good as well (depending on gamesettings). Just try to find out other people's experiences with this same card, I'm sure you'll find some usefull information about this card, but still it's a budgetcard (like mine) so don't expect too much of it.
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Try to lower the resolution if it's high.. :o
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I ment to say i get an average of 23fps with the lowest settings...it just doesnt seem right...i seached on youtube and they can play it smoothly and can also play battlefield bad company 2 decently
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Your power supply doesn't have a thing to do with your GPU problem, if it was your power supply, your PC would just not turn on or keep rebooting in a cicle.
Obviously, there is a reason why there is so many "models" and series on Graphic Cards, and that is because the graphics main processor unit between them is different, maybe it has more SPU's, more frequency, etc. But not just because it has 1GB DDR3 it means it's powerful. For example, I can put 1GB RAM to my PIII processor, doesn't mean it will beat a C2D with 256MB of RAM ^.^
You could try to turn the graphics in the game a little down (resolution or details), so it doesn't make you have low FPS.
PS: the hard disk can also make trouble if it's fragmented.
Peace out.
Or you can just buy a more powerful GPU lol
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GTA:IV is a resource hog.
Well two things when I researched stand out.
(a) your CPU has no l3 cache none, which may result in low fps (as this helps cpu multi-threading, apparently)
(b) The GFX card was built as a inexpensive solution to ATI cards - performance tests show that it only gets a max of 21.3 FPS on "Fallout 3" (which is the highest FPS they get in a game, some are as low a 3-5 - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-210-gt220_12.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf-210-gt220_12.html))
strangely i could not find a "factory" Geforce 210 with 1gb so i looked up the 220 (nearly same specs as you have given - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1121/6/ (http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1121/6/))
Gives low fps as it is still a "budget" card, designed to boost integrated graphics.
However, 23 FPS on GTA:IV aint bad - i would take it any day, considering I have a geforce 240GTX and i get about 20-23 FPS (depending where i am) on the lowest settings. (Though i need a new CPU - mine was created as a budget cpu...)
PSU would do nothing, if you have the correct psu its fine. As stated is PSU was wrong either your computer would not switch on or something would switch off.
So either play on 23fps or get a new gfx card (and possible cpu).
Also, I hope you are running win 7 64x otherwise that extra ram is not doing nothing...
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Thing is that sometimes it runs fine outside the safehouse then it lags at the same place and I get 15fps. Like today I just turned it on(maybe because it was just used and they turned it off) and it started running at 15fps then it went up to 25 for a few hours and now its back to 15. This is why I think it's the power supply. Maybe it cannot handle the Graphics Card at it's best and it just doesn't let the Graphics Card work at it's best?
And yes, I've tried it when it's day or night in the game and it does not matter, closed all applications and with the lowest settings possible.
The GFX extended requirement for a PSU:
300 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 18 amps on the +12 volt rail.
Mine is a 300 Watt with a maximum of 19 amps on the +12 volt rail.
The GFX requires a minimum of 18amps so if you ask me, I can go higher for it's maximum performance but my PSU has a maximum of 19amps, so in my opinion the PSU is not letting the GFX give it's best performance seeing as the highest it can go is 19amps.
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The GFX requires a minimum of 18amps so if you ask me, I can go higher for it's maximum performance but my PSU has a maximum of 19amps, so in my opinion the PSU is not letting the GFX give it's best performance seeing as the highest it can go is 19amps.
You could have a 1000W power supply - it wont make a difference. You graphic card requires 300w which is what your giving it. If you installed a 1000W PSU it would still only use 300W.
A game requires several things to run - good CPU + good RAM + good gfx card. As an idea there are several fixes on the interwebs about this (gta:iv specific) which might help
My game runs slow then after 30-60mins runs faster fps. But remember after a few hours your gfx card and computer are getting HOT! so your computer runs harder to cool it self down which lowers resources to the game, as your fans are running harder via motherboard to lower its temp.
If you are insistent that it is the PSU then by all means go and buy one (400w should be cheapish) and re-try - but i wouldn't expect any miracles.
Talking from experience:
I got a new gfx card thinking "Yeah this will make my games run great!" - computers do not work like that. Computers need everything to be good to work.
I got a new gfx card and a 1000W PSU. Due to the design of the case and PSU, the PSU gets hot (ofc) and that heat is blowed DIRECTLY on to my CPU. So it lowers my CPU performance due to the heat, which makes the computer run harder to displace the heat.
Going back I should have got a good 500W PSU and a new case (or at least another fan).
Did you build you pc? and why did you get that gfx card?
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Believe me Nightmare, your PSU is not the problem ;)
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Did you build you pc? and why did you get that gfx card?
No, I didn't build my PC and...
Talking from experience:
I got a new gfx card thinking "Yeah this will make my games run great!"
Same reason.
So what Graphics Card would you suggest for me? Before I make another dumb mistake :S
Here's my PC:
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6210y/4507-3118_7-33777301.html?tag=psum (http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-p6210y/4507-3118_7-33777301.html?tag=psum)
I wouldn't mind if I have to upgrade the Power Supply if the Graphics Card requires it.
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Im not sure if this would help, but make sure that your mobo supports DDR3.
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The Graphics Card I have now is 1GB DDR3 so yes, it does support it.
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your CPU and GPU are both pretty weak. but your graphics card is the main problem i guess.
i recommend the ati radeon 5770 or 5750.
im using 5770 and im getting 50-60 fps on 1920x1200 with everything except shadows on high - very high.
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Just because your Graphics card has 1 gig doesnt mean its good. Some 512mb cards would out perform your card nightmare. Its all about the clocking speed, processing speed etc etc. The 1 gig just stands for how much buffer it has.
Mobo support for DDR3 ? lol thats just for RAM not for video card. Video card has onboard Ram which got nothing to do with Mobo Ram or the DDR3 or 2 versions. My Mobo supports DDR3 aswell but my Video card is a GDDR5 so yea..
RAM of your PC Nightmare:
Installed Size 6.0 GB / 16.0 GB (max)
Technology DDR2 SDRAM
Memory Speed 800.0 MHz
Memory Specification Compliance PC2-6400
Form Factor DIMM 240-pin
Your mobo Specs:
M2N78-LA (Violet)
Figure 1: Motherboard top view
Image of motherboard
Manufacturer: Pegatron
Form factor: microATX - 24.4 cm (9.6 inches) x 24.4 cm (9.6 inches)
Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 9100
Memory sockets: 4 x DDR2
Front side bus speeds: 5200MT/s (5.2 GT/s)
Processor socket: AM2+
Expansion Slots:
PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card
PCI Express x1 slots
Your mobo only supports DDR2 Ram. NOT DDR3 like mon3y said.
Upgrading this PC is pretty useless, seeing you would have to upgrade, PSU, GFX card, RAM, Mobo except your CPU that one u dont have to upgrade but its pretty outdated aswell seeing as its a AM2 socket. Dont know if it supports AM3 since it says AM2+ but i doubt it. I would also upgrade from microATX to a ATX size motherboard. Gives you more space to work around with.
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Upgrading this PC is pretty useless, seeing you would have to upgrade, PSU, GFX card, RAM, Mobo except your CPU that one u dont have to upgrade but its pretty outdated aswell seeing as its a AM2 socket. Dont know if it supports AM3 since it says AM2+ but i doubt it. I would also upgrade from microATX to a ATX size motherboard. Gives you more space to work around with.
what are you talking? his ram, mobo and CPU are just fine for GTA IV. all he needs is a better graphics card and it should run fluently.
upgrading single components never is useless because you can always keep them if you decide to upgrade other hardware too.
also the socket has nothing to do with POWAR. its just the bracket for the fucking cooler.
buy a new graphics card like ati 5750 or 5770.
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Upgrading this PC is pretty useless, seeing you would have to upgrade, PSU, GFX card, RAM, Mobo except your CPU that one u dont have to upgrade but its pretty outdated aswell seeing as its a AM2 socket. Dont know if it supports AM3 since it says AM2+ but i doubt it. I would also upgrade from microATX to a ATX size motherboard. Gives you more space to work around with.
what are you talking? his ram, mobo and CPU are just fine for GTA IV. all he needs is a better graphics card and it should run fluently.
upgrading single components never is useless because you can always keep them if you decide to upgrade other hardware too.
also the socket has nothing to do with POWAR. its just the bracket for the fucking cooler.
buy a new graphics card like ati 5750 or 5770.
His PC is getting outdated fast you noob. DDR2 is going out of stock soon since DDR3 arrived Same goes for the AM2 socket. Like i said upgrading this piece of junk is hardly worth it unless u plan on playing crappy games for the next couple years. And for your information the 5770 aint that good a card same goes for 5750. Just invest a little more and get the 5870 or a good GTX card from Nvidia.
Do yourself a fuckin favour Bikedriver and check the components on his PC for developing/delivery dates you will see some of those parts are already 2 yrs old if not longer. Investing abit more money could give u a PC that would last you atleast 4 years.
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there is no point in buying a complete new PC just because it gets "outdated". if he is not satisfied with only a new graphics card then he still can buy the other stuff later. i didnt tell him to buy new DDR2 ram's, i only told him to buy a new graphics card which should be enough to fix up his lag in GTA IV. you are the one who is telling him to just throw his PC away and to buy a completly new one just because the hardware is 2 years old.
where is the point in buying a complete new PC if he gets what he wants with only a new graphics card?
you advising him to buy a 5870 is another proof that you are the one who is talking crap. ati 6000 cards cost less and perform better. the problem is that there is no really cheap 6000. it starts with 150-200 bucks. a 5770 is much cheaper and can do GTA IV on very high with 50 FPS if you play at a lower resolution.
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ok this is getting out of hand, so lets find something out.
Nightmare how much are you willing to pay on a gfx card? No point us saying "Get a an ati 6000series or a nvidia gtx400series" if you can not afford it.
and for a new gfx card u will need to update the PSU - most take 500Wmin and some more.
Some friendly advice: if you do upgrade your gfx carda and PSU get about 100-200W more than u need. That way, in the future it will continue to run gfx card and the pc and will have some buffer built into it. Otherwise, if you get the minimum each time you want a new gfx card/CPU/etc you will have to upgrade the PSU again.
Also, if you can get on IRC, and ask about in #lw chan about this. Dugi,carol, ben, etc will all give advice about gfx card, cpu, etc if you can find em (they hide sometimes cus they shy) but they do really know there stuff.
As you may get a new gfx card but your CPU may bottleneck it, which would be a waste of money. However, i am not good on CPU's and bottlenecks so someone with more knowledge than me would be good, hence IRC.
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Yea you can find me on IRC most the time Nightmare :D
But all in all since your PC is kinda getting out dated it would be better if you just saved up a little more money and just buy a complete new PC, And even better yet would be a self build PC so that you got all the stuff you want and not some extra worthless junk you wouldnt need.
Between 300 - 400 euro = Low end PC
Between 400 - 1000 euro = Mid end PC
Between 1000 - -- euro = high end PC
These are just estimated prices ofcourse it could be different in your country. But then atleast you know what you can expect for the amount of money you are willing to spend.