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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: [V]jOjO on June 04, 2011, 12:58:15 AM
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Hey all,
I wanted to post these words after having some common random situation on LW. I'll summarise these words in a few points. For those cool guys who'll start going "yea sure jOjO, you're being ....." I'd like to remind you (without any "showy" intensions) that I achieved whatever I wanted to achieve in that virtual world. Whatever I'll post here is for the server's good. Apart from being a part of the staff, I'm a player who had a long time on this server with it's ups and downs. You can discuss whatever point you want to discuss as long as it is a constructive, respectful, and not for "being cool" discussion. We're all cool, no need to prove it!
1- Respect = Players count.
During last 2 days, 5 [V]s or more (just as an example, search for more and I'm sure you'll find) prefered playing at another server over playing here and some will continue being regulars there. Why? becuase players "cry much". LW's script is way more advanced than that server, but the overall experience is what counts. I personally will start getting less active in-game if I see the hate continuing to happen, I'll just be on irc, and in-game when necessary (eg: reports, handling [V]), and I'll play at somewhere else with my clan mates for my personal fun. No I'm not crying, I'm playing this game in order to have fun! makes sense? That's how it works for many others.
2- "Strong" (which are usually negative 0o) opinions are welcomed, throught the proper channel.
Being negative and spamming negativity on the server or here does not add to your value. It increases the hate between you and staff members, and as human beings, staff members will start hunting for your mistakes and they'll be able to punish you within the guidelines and rules of LW, how evil! Just for example, check where is the place of the "tough guys" vs the respectful guys on LW. It makes a difference at everything, starting from dealing with reports till clan memberships or server ranks. If your ego monster can't handle such a "strong" complaint, you can send it directly to a management member, and he'll handle the situation and you'll save time and efforts which is directed to a wrong way in the first place.
3- Avoid the "spoiled staff" theory.
Qwerbeet thought that I'm abusing my rights because I muted the server, when 2-4 players were spamming the chat with "abuser, don't mix your rank with your personal stuff ... blablabla", I had to mute the server in order to mention that if you have a complain you can take it directly to LW's management, a 2 seconds mute saved a 20 mins drama. This concept applies at countless situations. Personally, I check whatever action I'm taking because I know that I'm responsible for this server, and players X,Y,Z will pm me asking for the reason of my action (and I'm sure that other staff members do the same). The point is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to reason each and every action to each and every player who asks me about it. Why? because I am not here to explain my actions, I'm here to take actions. Those who are responsible for reiewing my actions are management, not players. Players complain to management, management solves the problem. BINGO!
4- Rebelling against an action does not help.
If a player is wrong he'll get punished, even if 10 players support him, otherwise it's a free ticket for whoever wants to break rules. I'd like to mention that when you rebel against me for taking some action (muting player X for example), I don't give a flying cow. Why? I'm a guy who's sitting infront of his PC having some fun and punishing guys who seem to be evil, wow that's fun! Again, what helps is contacting management.
5- Understand who you're dealing with.
The fact that I (one of the staff members) do not reply on some trolls even after I mute them is not because I can't reply, it's because my personal ethics does not allow me to do so, these "ethics" that enabled me to achieve whatever I wanted in this virtual world, and many of what I want from real world. Yea I can troll with a guy just for the sakes of achieving victory! then become one of those guys who are placed in a trash discussions between staff members in private, or other players in general, and one of those guys who won't get whatever they want easily, simply because the priority goes to others who have a good reputation.
I hope I added something useful that you might remember before doing the next action on LW (not generalizing). Again, LW lost 5 or more players for 2 days, and those represent just 1 example of what I'm talking about. Want players (including staff members) to stay in-game for a longer time? give them good time, otherwise they'll look for another place which gives them more fun, makes sense!
Thanks for reading. <3
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It is pretty sad to see you prefering to play on another server than lw`s. It is sad to see some admins playing a lot on other servers and not on lw`s.
sorry, I do not really get your point... I understand crying players can be annoying and many players can be annoying, I can be too...
Do not missunderstand me, but just to get sure your points in the fallowing are:
1Respect:
player cry much - makes other player leave
2- "Strong"
beein negative and spamming negativity? (what exactly do you mean) - it makes the stuff angry and they will look for you breaking rules and punish you (do not really understand ... it is pretty easy to fallow the rules (when I was admin the only thing which made me angry were regulars who thought they could break rules or admins who thought they can punish for things which are allowed)
and the staff wont take your reports too serious... (that should only happen when a player often gives wrong reports, just my opinion)
--> so if player feel like admins look too harsh at them or when their reports arent taken serious... they should contact management?
3- Avoid the "spoiled staff" theory.
you mean do not ask the staff for the reason of their action, if you want to complain about an admin`s action you should directly take it to the management?
(I know sometimes it can be annoying to explain your actions, for sure it was when we got over 150 players. But in most cases I, when i was active as admin, could explain short my actions to a player. for example if you mute the whole server: you could write: "attention: I need to announce you all..." most ppl would understand that you wanted to inform the whole server. When I punished someone and he asked me why, I tried to explain him short the rule he broke. It helps the player to not repeat the rule breaking + if player understand why you take action, they will respect you more as admin. We got strict rules and every player should have to fallow them. No matter if it is a player who is negative and beeing watched a lot or if it is a total admin friendly player.)
4- Rebelling against an action does not help.
(I fully understand this. You got to punish those who do not fallow the rules. You got to make players fallow the rules. And it should not help if ohters support the wrong, just cause they are their friends or they think he did more for the server than you did.)
5- Understand who you're dealing with.
if I understand you right... you do not want to discuss with trolls?!
you mention often players should contact the management, when they are not okay with an action of you or another admin. but what will happen to admins who punished for things which are allowed? what will happen to admins who kill by cmd just cause they did not like their action. what will happen to admins who ban players just to tell them they do like the player? and does the management really care?
(it is really sad to see this is already too long for a lot of ppl too read, I got the feeling a stupid 4 words slogan help more than some wise words...like me you expect too much)
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If you guys have nothing to say then don't post at all. We don't need several posts quoting the same thing over again without adding anything extra.
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Warning! TD;LR post! Don't read this because it's a response to SUPERBAD!
It is pretty sad to see you prefering to play on another server than lw`s. It is sad to see some admins playing a lot on other servers and not on lw`s.
sorry, I do not really get your point... I understand crying players can be annoying and many players can be annoying, I can be too...
Do not missunderstand me, but just to get sure your points in the fallowing are:
1Respect:
player cry much - makes other player leave
Exactly.
2- "Strong"
beein negative and spamming negativity? (what exactly do you mean) - it makes the stuff angry and they will look for you breaking rules and punish you (do not really understand ... it is pretty easy to fallow the rules (when I was admin the only thing which made me angry were regulars who thought they could break rules or admins who thought they can punish for things which are allowed)
and the staff wont take your reports too serious... (that should only happen when a player often gives wrong reports, just my opinion)
I don't "go easy" with any reports and I think I never saw it happening so far. Maybe I should rephrase it to something like "priority of dealing with multiple in-game and on forum reports at one time? D:". I know that these are rare and extreme cases, but I had to give some examples about how being nice to the staff, and how reporting complaints in the right way can make some good change in whoever's gaming experience.
3- Avoid the "spoiled staff" theory.
you mean do not ask the staff for the reason of their action, if you want to complain about an admin`s action you should directly take it to the management?
(I know sometimes it can be annoying to explain your actions, for sure it was when we got over 150 players. But in most cases I, when i was active as admin, could explain short my actions to a player. for example if you mute the whole server: you could write: "attention: I need to announce you all..." most ppl would understand that you wanted to inform the whole server. When I punished someone and he asked me why, I tried to explain him short the rule he broke. It helps the player to not repeat the rule breaking + if player understand why you take action, they will respect you more as admin. We got strict rules and every player should have to fallow them. No matter if it is a player who is negative and beeing watched a lot or if it is a total admin friendly player.)
I do explain it in this way and in other ways countless times, then I (and other admins) get PMs, and each one of them is blaming me about how noob I am, and how unfair was my decision. Sometimes I spend days trying to convince a player that my action was fair because so and so, but it's like asking gigo to stop evading. This is not the general case, many players ask and get a reply and it's over, but those few guys who complain about whatever happens are big time wasters.
4- Rebelling against an action does not help.
(I fully understand this. You got to punish those who do not fallow the rules. You got to make players fallow the rules. And it should not help if ohters support the wrong, just cause they are their friends or they think he did more for the server than you did.)
Exactly.
5- Understand who you're dealing with.
if I understand you right... you do not want to discuss with trolls?!
Yes (but not because I can't), because I don't bother as long as they get punished. Some players get it wrong when you're being nice or ignoring their rage. Some of them try to look cool through disagreeing with whatever a staff member says, and when you try to explain to them how dumb it looks, they think that you're trying to achieve victory over them, and to be even cooler than them! Again, I'm not generalising.
you mention often players should contact the management, when they are not okay with an action of you or another admin. but what will happen to admins who punished for things which are allowed? what will happen to admins who kill by cmd just cause they did not like their action. what will happen to admins who ban players just to tell them they do like the player? and does the management really care?
That's heading to another discussion. xP I am talking here about my role as an admin.
(it is really sad to see this is already too long for a lot of ppl too read, I got the feeling a stupid 4 words slogan help more than some wise words...like me you expect too much)
By the way, I have countless things to do instead of posting a 900 lines thread. I just don't like being silent when I see something wrong going on (like players leaving the server). I won't keep nagging! x) I just wanted to ring the alarm, and I won't do it again. I don't blame you (players) because it's not your first priority to care for the server, but at least don't post here if you have nothing to add, just like Simon said.
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Why got Jet UB' post deleted?
He edited it out the content and requested it to be deleted. I would like to see his views if he wants to re-post them, it's interesting to read these opinions.
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guess I understand now everything. thx.
I`ve played here verry long and the biggest ingame pause i have now. I guess I saw every kind of player ingame as player and as admin. I was on the server years ago at european nights even when there were just a hand full of players. even when they were annoying, crying or cheating I did not leave the server. No I thought at these times of less players and annoying players it is important to join the server... because if everybody would leave because of this reasons the server would be empty.
I also think and I ve ever thought it is necessary to have some annoying players, some ppl you really hate as player. Why? cause it is a deathmatch server, so more you hate so more you try to kill. I know some annoying enemies, of course we flamed each other and tried to kill each other. The heat was really on. It was great fun. It is less fun to fight totally friendly and polite players for me. But it is a problem for some players and some admins to cut the line when an admin is a player and when and admin is there to just do his job. In your case it is even more difficult, cause you are a clan member or even leader. There ppl often will think you are biased. The same problem might have S3rs and Nemesis. To avoid this, I was much more harsh on my clan members. I just had a smal clan which never grew and never really did something, but there was one situation where I found a clan member rulebreaking and I punished him pretty hard. I explained him I was just that harsh cause he is in my clan. But this did not make him happy. It is verry difficult to be fair and not to be biased. I even lost a lot of so called ingame "friends", cause I busted them undercover when they were rulebreaking. I made a lot of enemies in the admin team, because I want to treat everybody the same. If I would have closed my eyes on every iniquitousness I guess I would never had any problems. I still dream of a littlewhiteys, where ppl can not break any rule, so we just would need admins for making events and scripting new things, but as we all know that is just impossible.
Do not loose in the believe of good in players. Often when they cry or when they are negative they have their reasons and they can change. Like the good ppl can change into bad too. do not stop trying to be fair and if necessary be a lil more harsh on your own clan mates (if they break any rule) so ppl see you punish them hard too. And if you are at the server there is at least one good player, so do not stop joining the server because of anybody who might annoy you. You can prove to them you are fair. after a while they will understand you are and they will respect you.
The best you could do for more players is joining the server, even if you would prefert anohter server, cause of the ppl. try to make the other ppl come to lw`s.
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So let me get this straight..... LW lost a bunch of players because the players were sick of people 'crying' on chat. Personally, I play on a server because the gamemode overall is fun, what players are saying in chat doesn't really effect me, how can words on a screen drive people out of the server?
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well ive seen the past of LWs (not the beginning, not the 'old times' ofc) and i see the present. unfortunately i didnt see the process how it became like it is now, so i cant make words on that, but at least i remember hows it been and how all things have been. When u speak of negative players u should take in account that not only LWs, not only samp experiences them, its a fact that the number of crying trolls grows more and more these days. Its just a matter of the way of life ppl live. Noone wanna lose anymore, they even cant lose, thats a main reason for cheaters and rulebreakers, but we all know that. Let me make a comparison of an example how things worked yesterdays and hoiw they work now just to show how i ment this ^ up there
Time: some years ago
Game: Need for Speed - Most Wanted
after failing in playing through the single player - just got busted for the first time, somewhere near blacklist 6 - i started playing this game in online multiplayer. It was simple. There was a race, ppl joined in, drove aggressively, failed, tried to get back in front, well what ever u do while racing. afterwards some flamewars, respecting soever...
<->
Time: nowadays
Game: Race Driver Grid
After succesfully completing the single player, i started playing in online multiplayer again. Nothing else as above, only racing.
So ppl drove, they drove aggressive, we all know that... but at some point there were players, that failed totally, and started to drive the track backwards and ram other players.
They simply cant take the 'shame', or how ever u wanna call it, of loosing, they want to win evrytime, without doing anything for it, how they are used to. its symptomatic of the whole not only gamer society, but the whole society nowadays. The media makes us believe we can run evrything in our life however we want and the ppl cant accept anymore that there may be someone on this planet whos better than them.
As they protect their way of life, theres a phenomenon u can watch which scientists call 'no borders'. (Ok thats nothing to do with gaming but u can somehow see it there too) Thats the psychological phenomenon that makes ppl cheat, hack, exploit, rulebreak, just to keep their world up and running.
U can watch that phenomenon more often these days cuz our whole generation has a very high entitlement mentality, because the media suggests evryday that u urself not only can but will be a superstar or millionair or whatever, and it will come easy, u just need one good idea and there u go whit money and hoes.
In order to change the gaming experience, we would need to change the mentality of a whole generation i guess, which is infact - i bet u knew it before - impossible. We can only try to help our children, to bring the fairness and trust back in the lifes of future generations, and we can start to gain respect in our generation. maybe i'd suggest to watch more on the most important rule (in this context), which is to respect the other players and admins, but u anyways do that allready, and what would gaming be without a lil bit of more or less constructive discussions ;)
Anyways sry for the TL;DR post, and i guess u anyways knew all i wrote before, but my english is still only simple and narrow, not very usefull in discussions like this.
Note: This reflects only my own opinions, nothing else. I will/can not claim that all i said is true or right. Its only natural that not all or even none of you will agree with this. If any of the staff members think that this post was useless and doesnt add anything ontopic, feel free to delete it.
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Good post, it's not important who wins or loses. It's that your having fun :)
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Scanned over this topic.
jOjO, don't take in what players say. This is the internet and everything is subject to criticism. Accept that there are trolls and people you will not like ingame and kill them. It's a shame that admins nowadays have to be babysitters, quite frankly that's one of the reasons I /q'd from staff.
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If you want a fact:
This post wont change the players its useless to make "retards" how i call them, obey and folow the rules like you want it.
save youre words for sth more important
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save youre words for sth more important
Something like calling players "retards" maybe?
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Why got Jet UB' post deleted?
He edited it out the content and requested it to be deleted. I would like to see his views if he wants to re-post them, it's interesting to read these opinions.
I deleted it, because I don't want to cause problems. I've never been a person to want to cause problems, as I just like to play and have fun, and also I dont like to be one of the First to post. But I will repost a similar response that I posted, when I wake up tommorow.
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Scanned over this topic.
jOjO, don't take in what players say. This is the internet and everything is subject to criticism. Accept that there are trolls and people you will not like ingame and kill them. It's a shame that admins nowadays have to be babysitters, quite frankly that's one of the reasons I /q'd from staff.
I think there we already got the problem.
If you think the comunity has changed into retards, you are wrong. If you think it has changed so bad that admins nowadays have to babysit...
you already think too bad about the players.
Back in 2006 admins already complained. What is now going on is nothing against the zenith of the [eVo] vs [JOKER] war... there you really had to babysit the forum ingame and everything. When there were about 180 players online with a lot of new ppl, old ppl and ppl from other servers there was a hell to do ingame on irc and on forum.
If you think that bad about the players in general... they will soon realise it and they will loose the trust in admins. You might to know how it is to have some authority above you who allways think you doing bad.
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Not all the players are retards, but there's a high amount of kids playing and the gaming attitude has changed. You wouldn't know SUPERBAD, since you don't even play anymore....
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Well u can never prevent a single player to be negative, u cant rly change it if someone feels bad about something, u never know what human being is behind a player, you can never prevent one player to drive others mad. We all have problems, and we all feel good or bad from time to time. A human being simply cant always be positive, like there are bad times, there are also good times.
The best we can do about it is to be positive ourselves, to spread good feelings, and to help other players.
Anyways nothing bad in playing in a nother server from time to time in my opinion, i think u can name that only a 'gamer's midlife crisis', which happens from time to time. And as long as u always come back to your first and only love LWs, its all ok ;D
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Anyways sry for the TL;DR post, and i guess u anyways knew all i wrote before, but my english is still only simple and narrow, not very usefull in discussions like this.
I wish I could speak english as good as you do. On topic: a little flaming is not that bad, as long as it doesnt touch someone personally, "your mum/sister/dog is..." and is not racist and stuff (my opinion), however I can live without it as long as Im not really raged, what happens hardly ever.
What I would like to see rather than lack of flaming is respect for other players. People say gf only to their friends/clanmates today. That sucks. Saying "gf" after you won a fight shows that you really came here to have fun, not to call people laggers and faggots. Of course saying "GF" after you've totally owned someone has no sense, it should be reserver for real good fights, and I think it should depend on the winner whether it was a gf or not (means that loser shouldn't say gf first, unless he was really, really fucking close to win).
Today I see more "ez" than gf, what drives me crazy, even if it's not directed at me. I don't know why, I just consider it as showing a nonrespect - you not only say that the player sucks, but you are also too lazy to say something longer. Two letters, how annoying? I dunno maybe it's just my personal feeling...
So more "gf"s, less "ez"s :P I think it will improve the fun on LW's A LOT, especially for newbies.
Newbie will get owned by a regular, thats for sure. If he stays quiet, regular won't say anything too, but if he is talk active, most of the players will like to tell him that he is ez. More gfs for newbies, and who knows, maybe they will like the atmosphere, feel respected and stay
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Miczi, I guess that most newbies don't even know what "gf" means...
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Oke Ive been thinking about the negative point of view on LWs. Heres what I calculated.
I think there is lots of negativity in sevrer becouse "LWs lovers" are negative. And they are negative in a way they are crying almost 2 goddamn years about the "old days". So,Im saying is that everyone is crying about those "good old days on LWs" and noone ever looked in the future or todays of LWs. Yes,I was active back in 2008 and it was awesome to play on full server even as a nab who didnt know anything except fight for Pirate Shit to get at least 2 free minutes just to get some money! Erm,Im pointing at the point that only people from "good old days" are active on the server and forum. And they dont give a shit about the point that there are still new players coming on the server to check it out and probably see why LWs is the most popular server on SAMP and how the "first SAMP server" look like. So Im trying to say here is that LWs stayed in 2007/8 in those "good old days" and today that LWs is crying about how great server was, and noone actually moved his ass or/and said: "Oh cmon,we can still have great moments here". So LWs stayed like private server only caring about players from 07/8. So what Im trying to say is that there are still players that are still looking for their "moment of glory" here. Like me,I always cared about the new players..also that could been seen when suggestions board were here. Some of my suggestions were crap,yes,but whatevs. Im saying that when new players come here on server or on this forums they only see topics/posts like "Best Memory Of LWs" or "Yes,LWs was awesome 3 years ago". And those are posts that came from most respected people here,people that many old and semi-old players look up to and they will say the same. So nab sees that and he say: "Oh,what am I doing here,when even leaders are saying its dead".
So Im trying to say that noone cares about players that still are trying to make a memory here. So,that come to that "staff-players" theory.
*665 stares at jojo! :P Cuzz everyone thats active here is STAFF and STAFF wannabes aka asslickers. :-X
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We care about new players. Thats true, I like to cry about the old times, but hey, I've never ever said something like "forget LW, it sucks". I was always and I still am positive and I look in the future with trust and hope (means that Im optimistic about the new gamemode which will hopefully be released soon). I've been a bit less active (not inactive) lately, but holidays are almost here ;)
It's really difficult to make newbies stay if even regulars don't know what to do on the server now. Let's hope that update will start some action here once again.
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I think there is lots of negativity in sevrer becouse "LWs lovers" are negative. And they are negative in a way they are crying almost 2 goddamn years about the "old days". So,Im saying is that everyone is crying about those "good old days on LWs" and noone ever looked in the future or todays of LWs. Yes,I was active back in 2008 and it was awesome to play on full server even as a nab who didnt know anything except fight for Pirate Shit to get at least 2 free minutes just to get some money! Erm,Im pointing at the point that only people from "good old days" are active on the server and forum. And they dont give a shit about the point that there are still new players coming on the server to check it out and probably see why LWs is the most popular server on SAMP and how the "first SAMP server" look like. So Im trying to say here is that LWs stayed in 2007/8 in those "good old days" and today that LWs is crying about how great server was, and noone actually moved his ass or/and said: "Oh cmon,we can still have great moments here". So LWs stayed like private server only caring about players from 07/8. So what Im trying to say is that there are still players that are still looking for their "moment of glory" here. Like me,I always cared about the new players..also that could been seen when suggestions board were here. Some of my suggestions were crap,yes,but whatevs. Im saying that when new players come here on server or on this forums they only see topics/posts like "Best Memory Of LWs" or "Yes,LWs was awesome 3 years ago". And those are posts that came from most respected people here,people that many old and semi-old players look up to and they will say the same. So nab sees that and he say: "Oh,what am I doing here,when even leaders are saying its dead".
I completely agree with you. Sneaky and I have had similar discussions about this before, there is to much focus on trying to pull back the past and change is being resisted. There are variables out of our control which created the past, we can learn from it but we cannot go back to it.
Hopefully 3.0 can bring us something new to remember. However, there is only so much a script can do to increase player count. The way players and staff act is also very important to player count, creating/maintaining an atmosphere that makes people stay and feel respected is the most difficult job. It is a job that everyone can help out with.
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Well some staff members dropped any respect to the players.Say what u want it is how it is.
And the new players atm got no respect at all from anything.
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i dont know but
sure player count matters, but i think that with all the helping-the-noobs and so on that this is still the first samp server and its very exclusive (my opinion). If someone feels, he doesnt want to stay here, because he got flattened by some regular, i believe he should gtfo.
I mean this is LWs, and players who cant afford playing here but are helped at any call later come and try to change the way we like things to run. LWs isnt always clean, it isnt always easy, sometimes u have a bad day, but thats how life is and how we like it. Ppl who cant accept being owned from time to time are to me the seed for rulebreakers and hackers.
Yes being a noob always wasnt easy, but its required to make some experiences. like the memories topic recently posted by splatter. What does those noobs, who get anything what they want stuffed in their arse, remember l8r? Runnig out jokers? Fighting against SWK? winning races? nah. they have no goal anymore. Its good if a noob finds friends, i dont say u should spawn rape them to prove if theyre suitable. But in order to keep the experience and the atmosphere we always had, or maybe to build a even better one (yeye sry for old times...) we need experienced players who know that crying isnt the way that will solve things. We need newbies to make experiences like being flattened in a 12v1.
Ive been owned so much i could write a book about it. and sometimes it rly pissed me off and i stayed away for some times. But i always come back for the lighter sides, and all of them i worked on myself (ok not all but the most).
Sure we should help newbies, nothing to discuss in that. But we shouldnt make them kings. Thats what i wanted to say.
Thx for listening.
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Well some staff members dropped any respect to the players.Say what u want it is how it is.
And the new players atm got no respect at all from anything.
Very true
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Well some staff members dropped any respect to the players.Say what u want it is how it is.
And the new players atm got no respect at all from anything.
Very true
but sad
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Sure we should help newbies, nothing to discuss in that. But we shouldnt make them kings. Thats what i wanted to say.
This one is very true for me. But do anyone make newbies kings here? I don't think so. They can quite easily find someone who will show them the server, if they ask, but still most of the players will just kill the uknown nick (if it comes to me it depends on my mood :D). We've already made the gameplay much easier than it used to be (spawn weapons, 50k for registering, more cash on the pirate ship, exporting cars) and it didn't really help. If I had to choose one thing that LW lacks and is needed in the first place, out of respect from regulars, staff, the culture of players, the clearly working system, the good anticheat, the regulars fighting each other more and a goal for players, I would surely choose a goal for players.
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Im just glad someone actually agreed with me at least one time! :D
And yes,I didnt say NOONE cares about new players Miczi! But still,only you said so..and few others. There is still big part of LWs that will disagree with everything I say. Im not trying to be idiot here..but check out,for example,some ban appeals,check out Discos,Jetss,AJPs,Rizlas responses on some posts,their attitude towards some players. Check out how Im treated here. I never cried about anything,I never complained to staff about some players or staff members and maybe I never will. But at some points its rly too much and I think someone should pay some more attention. I always had the noobish point of view when It comes to everything. And yes,I never contributed to LWs as someone might expect..I always had my opinions and I said them(was never treated well tho) But what kept me here so long? Im not rly sure,maybe its me still wanting to troll around or is it cuzz there is many people here that cares about me,respects my points of view,being friendly with me..even If sometimes I might overreact or Im not right.
Back on(off) topic: :P
I dont know what will make LWs get more players or get more players to stay. Maybe that new gamemode will help,or maybe it wont. Becouse I never blamed script of LWs..and many times I saw nabs saying(when someone or me showed them how things work) oh wow this is great. But still..there are moments when some random nab comes to server,gets raped by regular,relogs,say fuck this dood,comes back with hh-no reload-etc. and rape back. So idk.
And also,new SAMP players love servers with more commands,so sometimes more commands stops them in using hax. Im just saying some examples,not like suggestions. As I already said that Im not rly sure that new gamemode will bring more players or make them stay,maybe it will but idk. Becouse there are still the same old players playing here,in their own way,so some things wont change.
So I think the "roots" must change a bit,not bringing some addons to the "roots". Cuzz thats not change,thats just like adding sweet strawberry to a rotten cake. :-X
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Well some staff members dropped any respect to the players.Say what u want it is how it is.
And the new players atm got no respect at all from anything.
Very true
but sad
For me, it's hard to show respect to people who doesn't have even a bit of respect for the server or the staff.
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Devilboy dont post my name when you dont know anything.
When you say players should watch my post, you may dont know that i am someone a lot of staff members would love to see being banned.
And well Rizla is a staff member and scott was one so no one can say sth ;D
When you started playing here devilboy you instant started being a fool and posted spam in the forum, you acted like a kid looking for attention and flamed a lot.
So tell me when someone comes to you and the first thing is saying to you that you are a Fucking Asshole, Do you respect this guy then ?
PS: When you play counter strinke you got problems with flamers, when you play some online rpgs you got problems with hackers, but in Samp you the problem the every player think hes a psychologist and posting such useless bullshit about how players act,fight,talk or look like. You wont find such weird stuff in any other online game i guess.
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You're negative by postin this crap shit, why wud they leave? just cuz someone says some arguements? well, its good to leave anyways, also its just a game yo. why so serious?
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devilboy665, respect is something you earn, and you earned the contrary with your silly posts
RLY O? I wasnt talking about myself becouse I never cared how I look like in the world of online gaming. Thats not my life and that is not who I am.
@Schlampe: I put your name there becouse lately I saw you flaming alot. Without having any reason for that. At least not that others are aware of. Also..when did I flame or disrespect someone?
Also I mentioned few others..
Jets -who is non stop flaming,mostly on server when not much players are on and thats when no regulars are on and thats when its most important to keep server clean. (hope Im understandable)
aJp -calling everyone retarded idiots etc. just becouse someone disagreed with him,mostly myself.
Rizla -used to be cool guy for me but turned out to be total douche.
(pls note that this is not my final decision)
Also that SPAM posting.. which is nothing I ever did. I can say I did TROLL around in many occasions. But I must be ass now and say: "YES,it was I who always got in everyones eyes,becouse it was I who never cared who you are and where you came from." also I must say that I never wanted to be the guy who I am for some peoples here,but sometimes I got so frustrated and I just couldnt shut up after being treated like shit. Me or some other player that rly didnt deserve to be treated like that.
ps. As I already said to some people here,I have nothing personal against any member of this community. Maybe sometimes it did look like I do have,but I rly never wanted to put it out that way,only in case returning fire. Im not a hater,Im rly open minded person and I will always say what I think. Maybe someone dont like that,thats not my problem. So.. :)
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@665 u post crap, i even inboxed u weeks ago to say dont post crap for the sake of postcount, and what do u do? post crap ::) the bulk of your posts are taking up space in trash
i have alot of time for alot of ppl here, ive spent loads of time helping ppl, players, visitors, noobs, anyone whos ever come to me with a problem ive done whatever i can to help out or at least pointed them in the direction of decent help, which i totally enjoy btw.
on the flipside i dont have time for ppl who spam and generally talk shit. and my replies in ban appeals are usually to a) cheaters who were repeatedly caught, and who try to lie or b) regulars who KNOW THE RULES but play dumb when it suits them because they think it might benifit them AKA timewasters. like i said before i dont suffer fools gladly.
u, like a tiny portion of others, are here only to attention seek and be an annoyance i dont give a shit if u, and these ppl think im a douche.
to everyone else .... <3
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EDIT: Fuck it! Rizla..keep your professionalism on a level,accept critics and try to be more mature. After all,nobodys perfect.
And also,stop categorising players,thats everything I disagreed with in my previous posts.
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Devil i got to admit that i respect almost noone in here, the few persons i respect have earned my respect.
Its hard in this game to treat everyone respectful because there is also a big language barrier for some players and you cant just say they stupid, you got to think about it if they just cant say it better.
And well then there are just guys like Hyper,Gigo,mode... where you just got complete retards which will never change.
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Hey all,
I wanted to post these words after having some common random situation on LW. I'll summarise these words in a few points. For those cool guys who'll start going "yea sure jOjO, you're being ....." I'd like to remind you (without any "showy" intensions) that I achieved whatever I wanted to achieve in that virtual world. Whatever I'll post here is for the server's good. Apart from being a part of the staff, I'm a player who had a long time on this server with it's ups and downs. You can discuss whatever point you want to discuss as long as it is a constructive, respectful, and not for "being cool" discussion. We're all cool, no need to prove it!
1- Respect = Players count.
During last 2 days, 5 [V]s or more (just as an example, search for more and I'm sure you'll find) prefered playing at another server over playing here and some will continue being regulars there. Why? becuase players "cry much". LW's script is way more advanced than that server, but the overall experience is what counts. I personally will start getting less active in-game if I see the hate continuing to happen, I'll just be on irc, and in-game when necessary (eg: reports, handling [V]), and I'll play at somewhere else with my clan mates for my personal fun. No I'm not crying, I'm playing this game in order to have fun! makes sense? That's how it works for many others.
2- "Strong" (which are usually negative 0o) opinions are welcomed, throught the proper channel.
Being negative and spamming negativity on the server or here does not add to your value. It increases the hate between you and staff members, and as human beings, staff members will start hunting for your mistakes and they'll be able to punish you within the guidelines and rules of LW, how evil! Just for example, check where is the place of the "tough guys" vs the respectful guys on LW. It makes a difference at everything, starting from dealing with reports till clan memberships or server ranks. If your ego monster can't handle such a "strong" complaint, you can send it directly to a management member, and he'll handle the situation and you'll save time and efforts which is directed to a wrong way in the first place.
3- Avoid the "spoiled staff" theory.
Qwerbeet thought that I'm abusing my rights because I muted the server, when 2-4 players were spamming the chat with "abuser, don't mix your rank with your personal stuff ... blablabla", I had to mute the server in order to mention that if you have a complain you can take it directly to LW's management, a 2 seconds mute saved a 20 mins drama. This concept applies at countless situations. Personally, I check whatever action I'm taking because I know that I'm responsible for this server, and players X,Y,Z will pm me asking for the reason of my action (and I'm sure that other staff members do the same). The point is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to reason each and every action to each and every player who asks me about it. Why? because I am not here to explain my actions, I'm here to take actions. Those who are responsible for reiewing my actions are management, not players. Players complain to management, management solves the problem. BINGO!
4- Rebelling against an action does not help.
If a player is wrong he'll get punished, even if 10 players support him, otherwise it's a free ticket for whoever wants to break rules. I'd like to mention that when you rebel against me for taking some action (muting player X for example), I don't give a flying cow. Why? I'm a guy who's sitting infront of his PC having some fun and punishing guys who seem to be evil, wow that's fun! Again, what helps is contacting management.
5- Understand who you're dealing with.
The fact that I (one of the staff members) do not reply on some trolls even after I mute them is not because I can't reply, it's because my personal ethics does not allow me to do so, these "ethics" that enabled me to achieve whatever I wanted in this virtual world, and many of what I want from real world. Yea I can troll with a guy just for the sakes of achieving victory! then become one of those guys who are placed in a trash discussions between staff members in private, or other players in general, and one of those guys who won't get whatever they want easily, simply because the priority goes to others who have a good reputation.
I hope I added something useful that you might remember before doing the next action on LW (not generalizing). Again, LW lost 5 or more players for 2 days, and those represent just 1 example of what I'm talking about. Want players (including staff members) to stay in-game for a longer time? give them good time, otherwise they'll look for another place which gives them more fun, makes sense!
Thanks for reading. <3
amazing content
thanks for the share!
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Gryphus i said it once and ill say it over and over again.
there is a reason why there are more then 2000 servers online.
if this server doesnt suit ur skills or requirements just go ahead and search a better one but stop annoying us with ur bullshit.
Most of us loved the way LWs was, how it used to be, and we all made our hard way to the top over the years.
I had to fight years for a lil triumph and i dont see why totally displaced players like u should get stuffed shits in their arse just cuz they arent suitable for the servers gamemode.
I dont bother someone making suggestions to improve gaming experience or sort out bugs. But annoying scripters to change the mode, just because you are to lazy to get ur arse up and learn fighting (and dont come with ur skill-bullshit, its a LV_DM) is in my opinion as good as cheating and does not, in no possible or impossible way, improve nor balance the server nor make it more fair.
It simply sucks.
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Meh.. lets begin! :D
@Disco: Yes,I know its hard for a 19 yrs old dood to respect someone. But dont worry,next year..you will learn that only selfrespect mathers. And if you respect yourself,only that way you will respect others. (idk,it might take you longer xP ) Also,you should chill out a bit with calling everyone retards and so on.. :-X
@Gry:Yeah,I remember those times when I cried my ass off just to someone gang me,becouse without gang I was nothing. That also strikes 90% of LWs.
And also,back then,was awesome..becouse I had no idea who are the admins,mods,whatever. Just saying. Im not gonna disrespect you like others becouse I know what its like to be on your own. You have built yourself in this and thats the way you like it.
@SUPERBAD: I think hes just pointing at the fact that server script was made by the style of gangbangers,and the fact you cant do anything by yourself,but he is still trying to have his little piece of heaven on LWs server.
@Enzo: No need to be so rude you know? :P
@Myself: I never wanted to blame script of LWs,becouse the script was always built to suite everyone,and with everyone I mean its a DM server. But its also FREEROAM and RACE server and kinda Roleplaying oriented. And in my opinions the gamemode of LWs is so perfect I just cant deny it. lol..I mean,it was build on players opinions about gamemode,so.. players suggested,scripters scripted. I could never blame scripter for doing shitty work for LWs..I always blamed players for ruining the beauty of LWs. The script is so awesome it can fit every player playstyle. If you want DM do DM if you want race wait for one to be hosted If you want to cruise around SA then do it. I remember even back in 2008 when server had over 100 players online, I was still able to take cars,bikes or whatever and cruise around with few friends or by myself if I felt like it. Only difference back then and now is players count. And only thing LWs could or should do is to stop crying about low players count becouse,as someone mentioned that SAMP has over 2000 servers* and idk if there are so much people playing SAMP. So what LWs should do now is to stop trying to get more players and make sure that those who are still here to be happy. I mean,think about it..LWs nowadays have 30-40 players MAX,half of them are here! Think of what would it be here if there are 150+ players still active on server and forums and if those,at least 100,come here and start crying about everything they dont like. So..to end this,LWs should think/care about those loyal players that are still here..instead of trying to find some others that will suit them and everyone would love them. That will never happen,as I already said,move on,but not in a way of changing scripts but the way of changing yourself.
I know at some points I dont make sense.. but its just me and my opinions,so trolls can back away a bit and stop looking at negative side only. Its just my humble opinion,Im not trying to attack anyone personal. So, dont worry be happy! :)
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@Enzo: No need to be so rude you know? :P
Ama be as rude as i want. sry.
as someone mentioned that SAMP has over 2000 players and idk if there are so much people playing SAMP.
that was me, it were 2000 servers, actually its more than 3000 of them, and more then 12000 players. Check www.sa-mp.com
So what LWs should do now is to stop trying to get more players and make sure that those who are still here to be happy. I mean,think about it..LWs nowadays have 30-40 players MAX,half of them are here! Think of what would it be here if there are 150+ players still active on server and forums and if those,at least 100,come here and start crying about everything they dont like. So..to end this,LWs should think/care about those loyal players that are still here..instead of trying to find some others that will suit them and everyone would love them. That will never happen,as I already said,move on,but not in a way of changing scripts but the way of changing yourself.
+1
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Ama be as rude as i want. sry.
Ah lol..thats not nice! I could be rude too..but Ill get ban anyway. ;D
that was me, it were 2000 servers, actually its more than 3000 of them, and more then 12000 players. Check www.sa-mp.com
Oh shityo! Well..I dont care about numbers,they always lie! :P
+1
TY! x)
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@Gry
Show me the post i cried in.
Rly i cant remember.
I just see a difference in
flooding the server with newbies and hope some will stay OR
making the ppl that stray here from time to time stay on the server for longer.
Thats a difference that is obvious similar to an open pair of scissors. At the end dev will decide whats up.
But thats not the point and you know that. I simply believe that a certain server which was hosted by ppl who maybe had a dream with it and an idea how all this should work isn't the place to try and build a perfect world how you may like it. I possibly be wrong and overreacting, but your constant exertions to make this server a place for your mind look to me like a lack of respect to the scripters work, as if you were just the opinion that its a great bullshit, for which i honestly do not know why you are still playing here.
As you may be knowing (or not) you cant have all things you wish in life. maybe you can in your world, but that doesnt reach out in the realities of other individuals.
And yes, i can be an asshole. I always tried to be fair and friendly, but at some point me and my patience has had enough.
Explain it to me, please. I want to understand it.
Why you want to change these things?
Why you try so hard?
Why you don't simply find a community that suits you better then us retards and masochists?
What keeps you here?
Tell me, because i don't understand.
What makes you think you could find satisfaction here?
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lol, I'm with Disco, he may think I'm retarded but who cares? I'm not even caring about what people think about me, and why you guys are being such a serious retarded pussies? I mean, flaming results a ban and shit, it's not about respecting, it's just about having fun lol.
I mean, when you ban people for flaming each other, how old are you guys?!. But still, there's some words which people deserver to be banned for, like the N word and disrespecting mothers, parents, etc...
Just like what Disco said, there's a few people who earns my respect.
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Well i better post nothing when people start to paraphrase my words wrong then ???
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But still, there's some words which people deserver to be banned for, like the N word and disrespecting mothers, parents, etc...
And what do you think we ban people for? "You are stupid"? "Fu"? "Gtfo"? Seriously man, you seem to not know shit about things you want to discuss about <.<
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Gryphus i said it once and ill say it over and over again.
there is a reason why there are more then 2000 servers online.
if this server doesnt suit ur skills or requirements just go ahead and search a better one but stop annoying us with ur bullshit.
Most of us loved the way LWs was, how it used to be, and we all made our hard way to the top over the years.
I had to fight years for a lil triumph and i dont see why totally displaced players like u should get stuffed shits in their arse just cuz they arent suitable for the servers gamemode.
I dont bother someone making suggestions to improve gaming experience or sort out bugs. But annoying scripters to change the mode, just because you are to lazy to get ur arse up and learn fighting (and dont come with ur skill-bullshit, its a LV_DM) is in my opinion as good as cheating and does not, in no possible or impossible way, improve nor balance the server nor make it more fair.
It simply sucks.
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i couldn't have said it in a better way
he can't understand that this server has been working this way since his birth (or better still, once it used to be way harder than now) so i don't understand why now newbies should find everything too easy to do (this way they'll never improve their gameplay)
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Gryphus i said it once and ill say it over and over again.
there is a reason why there are more then 2000 servers online.
if this server doesnt suit ur skills or requirements just go ahead and search a better one but stop annoying us with ur bullshit.
Most of us loved the way LWs was, how it used to be, and we all made our hard way to the top over the years.
I had to fight years for a lil triumph and i dont see why totally displaced players like u should get stuffed shits in their arse just cuz they arent suitable for the servers gamemode.
I dont bother someone making suggestions to improve gaming experience or sort out bugs. But annoying scripters to change the mode, just because you are to lazy to get ur arse up and learn fighting (and dont come with ur skill-bullshit, its a LV_DM) is in my opinion as good as cheating and does not, in no possible or impossible way, improve nor balance the server nor make it more fair.
It simply sucks.
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i couldn't have said it in a better way
he can't understand that this server has been working this way since his birth (or better still, once it used to be way harder than now) so i don't understand why now newbies should find everything too easy to do (this way they'll never improve their gameplay)
We need a "like" button. Couldn't agree more.
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We need a "like" button. Couldn't agree more.
we had that, but gryphus ended up with too much negative karma
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we had that, but gryphus ended up with too much negative karma
what would you do if turns out to be opposite?
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we had that, but gryphus ended up with too much negative karma
what would you do if turns out to be opposite?
actually some1 couldnt take his bad score, so started to -1 everyone for every single post, even posted years ago...
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Enzo i totally agree with ur posts. But i dont know why you bother reacting to Gryphus. Ive stopped doing that cuz its impossible to make him understand that his view doesnt work the way LW works.
Like you said people that dont like the server shouldnt try and change it. But just go on their merry way and find a server-community that does suit their needs. And stop whining and bitching about the server that dont suit their needs cuz its pointless. This server worked before till changes where made to SAMP in general and to LW server.
And Rizla, ur one of the few players i truely respect you always help people :D
This thread should be locked as i can clearly see a huge ass flamewar comming up.
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We need a "like" button. Couldn't agree more.
we had that, but gryphus ended up with too much negative karma
aah ye forgot about it :-X
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Enzo i totally agree with ur posts. But i dont know why you bother reacting to Gryphus. Ive stopped doing that cuz its impossible to make him understand that his view doesnt work the way LW works.
Well its impossible. Ur right. But i still react because i don't want to just let it slide, to say 'aw gtfo nurd' without even taking his opinion in account.
I want to understand the ppl im talking with before i judge them in my mind, so i want to understand why it is impossible although i know i cant change it.
Anyways thx for agreeing.
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But i still react because i don't want to just let it slide, to say 'aw gtfo nurd' without even taking his opinion in account.
I want to understand the ppl im talking with before i judge them in my mind, so i want to understand why it is impossible although i know i cant change it.
+1337
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let em know when u remove posts.... otherwise they will just get reposted...
and btw locking it would be better as the pending flamewar situation is still there..... jOjO....
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The thread achieved its goal, some players reacted and showed some change in-game. Maybe it's happening by chance, but that's not the point.
I'll lock this thread, because Gryphus and his "competitors" are turning it to a personal hate thread.