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Title: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 10, 2011, 10:25:09 PM
This command is abused day in and day out to avoid death, and frankly its pissed me off for the last time, So ive recorded a undercover retard abusing the command to avoid dieing, were he had ran to the duel arena, and hid there, to avoid me first. Then he decided he didnt want to die to lose his stats so he /class to avoid dieing, I caught it on tape, this isnt a report and i expect all retards to stay out of the topic. I want a clear cut reason on why this command will or will not be removed, or fixed. I do not want this topic to be locked, I actually want to discuss why this command is still part of the server. Also, I would like these retarded Stats whores banned. They are scaring players away from the server, with abuse like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxEjfXzSeyw

Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: SKY on June 10, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
I know there are many retards in the game who shouldn't be in lw, such as cr9. But i think it should be removed lets hope the admins decide to.  8)
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Disco on June 10, 2011, 10:33:03 PM
hilarious that every cmd which is added to improve the gameplay get abused by some retards.
Just perm ban the abusers..
I would prefer playing with 10 players online who doesnt abuse shit, than with 30 abusing everything.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: BikeDriver on June 10, 2011, 10:48:28 PM
just why did you add /class to begin with?

what is the point of this?

i only see abusers and noobs who aks how to change skin...
i dont understand nothing
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 10, 2011, 10:50:26 PM
EDIT: Suggestion Board were removed. You should know that better then anyone, Jetson.

Locked.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Slide on June 10, 2011, 10:54:04 PM
Agreed with Jets.

bring back the old F4 - /kill

/class has been abused to much.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Faraday on June 10, 2011, 11:08:30 PM
This command and system has been added by Simon, please await his reply for more details on why it was added.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: AJP on June 10, 2011, 11:17:30 PM
Agree, but I think there's a reason behind adding this command that we don't know about. The command itself implemented on the server right now isn't working out right now so I voted Yes.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 11, 2011, 12:00:20 AM
EDIT: Suggestion Board were removed. You should know that better then anyone, Jetson.

Locked.

this is a matter that needs to be dealt with, the server is losing to many players due to abuse.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [JOKER]Miczi on June 11, 2011, 12:00:54 AM
I never really liked it, voted yes. I don't see a reason why this cmd is better than f4, and there is no antiabusing system for this command, making it difficult to catch such an abuser.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 11, 2011, 12:09:03 AM
this is a matter that needs to be dealt with, the server is losing to many players due to abuse.
Then Ill say this: Will bringing back the F4 command change anything? And as you said "undercover retard" so I dont care if you or him leaves the server. Nabs dont know the /class,they do know F4 thing as its original script. I never used /class and not more then 3 times I used F4. So if youre gonna keep on crying when some "undercover retard" wont let you kill him..I wont change my vote,which is NO.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [JOKER]Miczi on June 11, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Devil, it's that this command is not needed and it may easily be abused, there will be no disadvantages of removing it. And newbies may leave after they see someone just disappering when he uses the command. We don't want them to leave, do we?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on June 11, 2011, 04:05:00 PM
Just increase the time people need to respawn, AND let some text over a player appear that he typed /class, so people can see it.
I liked the command because its easier for noobs this way. A command is easier than pressing some button and wait till they die.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Freak on June 11, 2011, 07:55:13 PM
Didn't you suggest it Jets?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: SUPERBAD on June 12, 2011, 02:51:22 AM
I allways said: I do not want anything new which can be abused or where new rules could be broken. so less possiblities to break any rule so better it will be
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 12, 2011, 11:31:30 PM
The whole server agreed besides, the guy who did it and devilboy. Ive not seen it abused the last few days, but it does get abused frequently. Its also buggy, with F4 I found out the other day. Since the command is there, when i accidently hit f4 and then get killed I would not go to menu for a couple more deaths. So that was annoying.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 12, 2011, 11:44:17 PM
Yeah, it was me. Whos the other guy idk! :D
I just dont like when SCRIPT is blamed cuzz of some "undercover retard". And it never ends,LWs will never be "perfect". :-X


UPDATE: Also its sad that you actualy can call 17 people "the whole server".

(sry I made little mistake)
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Freak on June 13, 2011, 12:05:52 AM
Yes!
This should be removed.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: BikeDriver on June 13, 2011, 12:45:59 AM
Yeah, it was me. Whos the other guy idk! :D
I just dont like when SCRIPT is blamed cuzz of some "undercover retard". And it never ends,LWs will never be "perfect". :-X


UPDATE: Also its sad that you actualy can call 17 people "the whole server".

you are just talking bullshit without naming ANY reason why it should NOT be removed again.

"LW will never be perfect" is a sheeeeeeet and no reason.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 13, 2011, 01:01:09 AM
K let me put it this way..

I DO NOT LIKE WHEN EVERY TIME SOME UNDERCOVER RETARD,AS JETS NAMED HIM, COMES TO SERVER AND DO SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULD NOT DO AND THEN SOME LAME PLAYER LIKE JETS COMES HERE CRYING OUT LOUD THAT SCRIPT MUST BE CHANGED BECOUSE HE COULD NOT KILL THAT PLAYER THAT DID THAT THING THAT HE SHOULD NOT DO. SO I AM SAYING HERE,FOR THE FIFTH TIME THAT I DONT LIKE WHEN SCRIPT IS CHANGING JUST TO MAKE JETS KILL ABUSER EASIER,WITHOUT REPORTING ANYONE TO ADMINISTRATORS OF LITTLEWHITEYS THAT SOMEONE IS ABUSING SCRIPT. SO I SAID SERVER WILL NEVER BE PERFECT JUST BECOUSE OF 1 UNDERCOVER RETARD WHO WAS NOT REPORTED TO ADMINISTRATORS BUT ASKED SCRIPTERS TO CHANGE THEIR SCRIPT. AND IT NEVER ENDS BECOUSE IF THIS SUGGESTION WILL BE ACCEPTED AND SCRIPT CHANGED..3 DAYS LATER SOME OTHER LAME PLAYER LIKE JETS WILL COME HERE AND CRY ABOUT SOME OTHER STUPID THING THAT SCRIPTERS SHOULD DO FOR HIM. TO BE HONEST SOMEONE WILL COME HERE CRYING ANYWAY. AND SADEST PART IS; HE WILL GET SUPPORT.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: EnzoMortelli on June 13, 2011, 01:32:23 AM
Not the script is guilty if an abuser cant be killed. Its the abuser.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Gryphus_One on June 13, 2011, 01:33:06 AM
Well, /class command is good because it allows you to change your skin without having to kill yourself, and it's also useful to escape from doorcampers for example, when you are in an interior and someone is doorcamping you out there, it's almost your only chance to escape.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: EnzoMortelli on June 13, 2011, 01:53:00 AM
ummm how about getting out and killing the asshole?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 13, 2011, 02:08:39 AM
Not the script is guilty if an abuser cant be killed. Its the abuser.
and player who didnt do his job. And Gry should also read server rules again.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: EnzoMortelli on June 13, 2011, 02:19:53 AM
and player who didnt do his job.
Well abusing can pretty much prevent a player from 'doing his job'
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 13, 2011, 02:31:05 AM
Well, /class command is good because it allows you to change your skin without having to kill yourself, and it's also useful to escape from doorcampers for example, when you are in an interior and someone is doorcamping you out there, it's almost your only chance to escape.
in my opinion thats considered abuse right there, because people could just run into an ammo, and just because someone waits outside doesnt mean there doorcamping. Thus they abused the command inside to avoid death, at a new spawn.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 13, 2011, 02:43:05 AM
Well abusing can pretty much prevent a player from 'doing his job'
I dont see any barrier except the mental one. Lets try this:

          -YES-
          ABUSER                                      PLAYER
           abuse                                        /report
 
          -NO-
         ABUSER                                      PLAYER
                       abuse                             :'( script change plx :'(
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: BikeDriver on June 13, 2011, 09:22:22 AM
Well, /class command is good because it allows you to change your skin without having to kill yourself, and it's also useful to escape from doorcampers for example, when you are in an interior and someone is doorcamping you out there, it's almost your only chance to escape.
in my opinion thats considered abuse right there, because people could just run into an ammo, and just because someone waits outside doesnt mean there doorcamping. Thus they abused the command inside to avoid death, at a new spawn.

gryphus abused /Kill and /class all the time to escape from people.

he used it on highway when he was in infernus etc. to avoid getting killed.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [JOKER]Miczi on June 13, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
it's also useful to escape from doorcampers for example, when you are in an interior and someone is doorcamping you out there, it's almost your only chance to escape.

No offence Gryphus, but you really seem to be missing what is this server all about. As far as I know they have teleports on LVP, in Littlewhitey's we always wanted to keep the laws of physics as close to reality as the game allows us to.

What you did is using the command for something that it was not designed for, giving you unfair advantage above other players, also known as abuse. "/class" is very similiar to "/q" and using it you should follow the same rules. Using /class to avoid death will be considered the same as using /q to avoid death, as it's even worse, cause you don't die.

After reading a discussion in admin's forum I have to admit, that the command may be helpful in some cases - you can change class or unbug yourself without losing money/affecting your stats, however, the problem with this command (actually with abusing it) is being discussed by the staff.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Simon on June 13, 2011, 12:39:52 PM
I'm not sure whether Gryphus is trolling or not.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: SUPERBAD on June 13, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
does anybody often use /class in a useful way and do not want to miss it?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Slide on June 13, 2011, 02:55:00 PM
I prefer F4 - /kill
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Quickplay on June 13, 2011, 03:40:26 PM
does anybody often use /class in a useful way and do not want to miss it?
i guess not, except for those who abuse it
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: SUPERBAD on June 13, 2011, 05:19:47 PM
does anybody often use /class in a useful way and do not want to miss it?
i guess not, except for those who abuse it

than the only reason to keep it is to make the scripter happy that his part is in the script.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Gryphus_One on June 13, 2011, 08:25:38 PM
Well, apart from changing your skin without dying (which I already mentioned yesterday), I just remembered another GOOD way of using this command: if you get lost in the middle of nowhere (for example if you crash your vehicle in the All Around SA race) and there are no vehicles near, and NOBODY is fighting you (so you aren't avoiding death, but just a long walk), then you just use /class and respawn.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Quickplay on June 13, 2011, 08:52:07 PM
Well, apart from changing your skin without dying (which I already mentioned yesterday), I just remembered another GOOD way of using this command: if you get lost in the middle of nowhere (for example if you crash your vehicle in the All Around SA race) and there are no vehicles near, and NOBODY is fighting you (so you aren't avoiding death, but just a long walk), then you just use /class and respawn.

also in this case i wonder....what's the fucking problem in using /kill instead of /class? lol since it isn't even made to respawn near the city
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Freak on June 13, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
Scripters can't answer? Just get this seriously. ;)
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Gryphus_One on June 13, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
Well, apart from changing your skin without dying (which I already mentioned yesterday), I just remembered another GOOD way of using this command: if you get lost in the middle of nowhere (for example if you crash your vehicle in the All Around SA race) and there are no vehicles near, and NOBODY is fighting you (so you aren't avoiding death, but just a long walk), then you just use /class and respawn.

also in this case i wonder....what's the fucking problem in using /kill instead of /class? lol since it isn't even made to respawn near the city

That if you kill yourself you lose all the money you are carrying, and players who care about stats have their ratio decreased.

For scripters: rather than removing this command, you can just add a line of code to its script so when you use the command, a message appears on the general chat saying something like "Gryphus_One (ID: 9) has used the /class command", this way everyone can see whenever someone uses the command and spot the possible abuses more easily.
Another, more complex solution could be to disable the command in interiors and in vehicles, so you can use it only outside and onfoot, and when typing the command you get frozen for those 10 seconds until you are teleported.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 13, 2011, 10:07:37 PM
For players: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,912.0.html
And you can also do /rules while ingame. Enjoy yourself!
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [JOKER]Miczi on June 13, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
For players: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,912.0.html
And you can also do /rules while ingame. Enjoy yourself!

What do you mean by this? If you mean that /class it's not mentioned there, it's only because it didn't seem like a problem before and it's being discussed now. If you mean that there is nothing that disallows you to avoid death with it, well, it's in the first point ;) Feel free to contact me, lol.

For scripters: rather than removing this command, you can just add a line of code to its script so when you use the command, a message appears on the general chat saying something like "Gryphus_One (ID: 9) has used the /class command", this way everyone can see whenever someone uses the command and spot the possible abuses more easily.
Another, more complex solution could be to disable the command in interiors and in vehicles, so you can use it only outside and onfoot, and when typing the command you get frozen for those 10 seconds until you are teleported.

Both solutions were suggested already and are being considered. The whole problem should be solved soon.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 13, 2011, 11:45:49 PM
http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,912.0.html
What do you mean by this?
Quote
Should you see anyone not following these rules, you should alert an admin immediately by using /report <id> <reason>.
e.g. /report 15 fighting inside bank

An admin's decision is final, a moderators is almost final. Complaining is unlikely to change either's point of view.
That. :P
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: [JOKER]Miczi on June 13, 2011, 11:57:38 PM
Oh, well ye, that's true. But currently after recieving such a report I would do nothing, cause I wouldn't be able to check if the guy really did. I would have to watch him in case he does it again. It's like the car visual bug - unless we do something with it, video is the only solid proof.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 16, 2011, 10:28:17 PM
Oh, well ye, that's true. But currently after recieving such a report I would do nothing, cause I wouldn't be able to check if the guy really did. I would have to watch him in case he does it again. It's like the car visual bug - unless we do something with it, video is the only solid proof.
is my video not proof enough why this should be removed?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 16, 2011, 10:32:56 PM
is my video not proof enough why this should be removed to /slap a person who abused it?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Gryphus_One on June 17, 2011, 12:48:50 AM
is my video not proof enough why this should be removed?

In your video it's curious to see that you open the chat box and start writing the report a bit before that player actually teleports. But also, your video shows him in the duel lobby, which is a safe area, so he wasn't really using the command in the middle of a fight, maybe he just wanted to change his skin.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 17, 2011, 05:38:03 AM
is my video not proof enough why this should be removed?

In your video it's curious to see that you open the chat box and start writing the report a bit before that player actually teleports. But also, your video shows him in the duel lobby, which is a safe area, so he wasn't really using the command in the middle of a fight, maybe he just wanted to change his skin.

Yah its amazing with the years that I play that I actually have a brain unlike you to report someone, and no its not a safe arena to avoid death. He went there to avoid death, and then sat there. He /class to avoid dieing with his low health. You most of done this, so basicaly youve broke the rules to.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Devilboy665 on June 17, 2011, 06:48:41 AM
OMG Jetson..so years that you play didnt teach you anything? :-\
Wait,that dood ran into duel lobby,then he did /class ? He should report YOU for camping,no? GEEZUS! Just drop this crap..4 pages of crying for one player that ran in safe area to change his skin before you had chance to kill him. Stop it,pls!  ::)
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 17, 2011, 07:20:07 AM
OMG Jetson..so years that you play didnt teach you anything? :-\
Wait,that dood ran into duel lobby,then he did /class ? He should report YOU for camping,no? GEEZUS! Just drop this crap..4 pages of crying for one player that ran in safe area to change his skin before you had chance to kill him. Stop it,pls!  ::)
he ran into avoid death, = death evade. then used a command to make sure I could not kill him, he was not doing anything there. whats the point?
I really dont care about the idea of him getting banned cause he was banned for evade. I want the command removed is what I am fighting.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Swanson on June 17, 2011, 07:26:55 AM
I understand your point but technically he was in a safe zone. At least in my opinion it's different than just /q, however I don't condone this kind of behaviour. If this deserves a ban, than running to a buy marker to avoid death is also ban worthy because it's fucking lame (points at sLK outbreak).

But yeah I agree they can remove this command because it makes people lame more. Using F4 worked perfectly.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: iMJets on June 17, 2011, 07:36:12 AM
I understand your point but technically he was in a safe zone. At least in my opinion it's different than just /q, however I don't condone this kind of behaviour. If this deserves a ban, than running to a buy marker to avoid death is also ban worthy because it's fucking lame (points at sLK outbreak).

But yeah I agree they can remove this command because it makes people lame more. Using F4 worked perfectly.

many admins have been punishing for using checkpoints to avoid death recently, as i noticed.
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: Swanson on June 17, 2011, 07:39:25 AM
Nice than I hope outbreak gets some nice ban too cause I will be uploading a vid of this shit shortly. Also he abuses (I think F8) to cause massive lag and nobody can touch him. Sorry for this offtopic btw :P
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: EnzoMortelli on June 17, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
lol avoiding death with checkpoints = ban?
i remember that some months ago
camping player who is in checkpoint = ban
What happened? mad?
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: AJP on June 17, 2011, 10:32:23 AM
Nice than I hope outbreak gets some nice ban too cause I will be uploading a vid of this shit shortly. Also he abuses (I think F8) to cause massive lag and nobody can touch him. Sorry for this offtopic btw :P

second that, popz was online when this happened but he was rubbin the old nutsack

/run
Title: Re: Removal of /class
Post by: BikeDriver on June 17, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Nice than I hope outbreak gets some nice ban too cause I will be uploading a vid of this shit shortly. Also he abuses (I think F8) to cause massive lag and nobody can touch him. Sorry for this offtopic btw :P

second that, popz was online when this happened but he was rubbin the old nutsack

/run
/confirmed.

i have his lag on fraps, but not how he turned it on. only the lag itself.

he was talking shit like "i only made myself lag to make it fair to your lag" ::)

so yea he even admitted it in PM.

@topic:
this shit is ridiculous. be sure if i see anyone doing this i will db him until i /q.
in my opinion it should be handled the same way as /q.