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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on October 29, 2014, 08:24:07 PM

Title: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on October 29, 2014, 08:24:07 PM
Hello to the active lw-players.  ::)

I just wanted to come up here with a few ideas that came onto my mind lately. First of all I want to thank the developers again. You did a great job improving the server in 2014 - the new races, Event hosting, the Aircraft pay 'n' Spray and the permanent gang system. Big steps have been made!  THANKS!


So here are my ideas:


With this change gangs on littlewhitey's would be forced to earn their money by fighting for territorys all around Las Venturas or possibly buying 'Gang-Properties'(read below) instead of single players in a gang using the common ways to earn money and then depositing it on the Gang Bank Account.
The reason I think we should make this change is that it's currently alot easier to earn money as a single-player the known ways than it is as a gang fighting for territories.
Moreover it would stop single-players who are not member of any real Gang abusing the Gang Bank Account as their second 'private' account.


This could be Gang vehicles/bases - probably alot of players would love this, but it's probably a big thing to make.
So here I come up with the description of Gang-Properties. There could be properties that only gangs are able to buy - with money from their Gang Bank Account. At least a certain amount of players has to go to the property the gang wants to purchase (possibily 3+) so the /buy command gets unlocked.

The Gang-Property can be for example a building that gives all gang-members the advantage of a hidden blip on the map. As long as your gang owns this property all members of your gang get a hidden blip on the map for all non-gang members, but can still see each other.
Another idea would be a property a gang can hold that allows it's members are able to /fix the tank to it's original health (2500) when going to a certain point on the map. This would bring the oldschool gang wars for fluffy back and would actually make gangs care about the tank again. Nowadays, since pay n spray the gank has been disabled, the tank hardly ever makes it to the main fighting areas North Ammu and LVPD.

Your gang will own the property including it's advantage for a certain minimum amount of time (for example 20 minutes). From that on, another clan can come and buy the Gang-Property from you. You do not get any money bank on your bank account.

Please note that these are just 2 ideas and there could be alot more propertys for gangs with different "bonuses".


The title pretty much describes it. I think many new players don't know that the skin actually has an influence about their spawn location. Many noobs just always select the police skin and appear in the main fighting zone of the server where it's easy for regulars to spawnkill them and dont let them explore the rest of the server. This is an issue especially when the server is busy. There should be a small hint for players that gives them a hint about the area they will spawn when selecting this skin.
Police - LVPD;   Firefighter - LV Fire Station;   Medic - LV Hospital;   Stripper - Strio Club
At this point I want to mention that we should discuss the idea that we could have a few more than just these classes with defined spawn areas.
For example: Military - Area51 area;   Pilot - LV Airport area;   Fat Civilians - Spawn around Fast Food properties in LV.

To make this less work for the management, I already saved possible spawn positions for the Military and Pilot class, so if you are going to add those, I would pass them over to you in a PM.


I'd like to share this problem we - as [R] members - noticed that came up the last 3-4 months on littlewhitey's server. When the server is busy (25+ active players) it often happends that noneof the 5 Rustlers we have on the current vehicle set in Las Venturas are available for people who want to fly. On the weekends this happends almost daily. If there is more than 2 players spending their time on the server flying Rustlers the 5 Rustlers in LV aren't enough. Planes on San Andreas receive damage from almost anything they touch. Unlike when driving cars you quickly need to change or fix your plane whenever its below 900 health because somebody could appear behind you - initiating a dogfight - and it would already give him a significant advantage when your plane is damaged.
I can't even tell you the reason why Rustlers became more popular for players to fly over the years, but it can be highly annoying when you need to drive to desert or even to San Fierro just to get a Rustler. 2-4 more Rustlers in Las Venturas wouldn't influence the gameplay for regulars, but they would stop those annoying moments when all Rustlers around are damaged or already take.
I'd to add that having 3, 5 or 25 Rustlers at Las Venturas Airport doesn't influence the danger of Rustlers attacking/blowing up whole races, since 1 decent Rustler pilot is enough already to take out or at least blow about 10 racers on all All Around SA race. If you ask me, this argument simply isn't valid.
I know im repeating myself here, but more Rustlers in Las Venturas would hardly ever be noticed by players who don't fly them, but they would make the it alot more fun who actually like flying.


Most regulars I talked to about the economy on littlewhitey's agree in one point - money is easy to earn. I'd like to share my opinion about the income players get from 'winning' a reaction test sometimes with you guys. Being first in a reaction test gives a player up to ~$35000. Everytime im getting that amount of money from a reaction test I ask myself the same question. 35k for what? For typing 'X3eR34' in about 9 seconds?
Reaction tests are one reason why people need to spend really few effort to be able to buy their daily-spawn-weapons. They just need to player for about 10 minutes and do the reaction tests only to do so. The quick money from these reaction tests make nice features like the pirate ship, car export and delivery-missions unattractive.
Instead of rewarding the winner of a reaction test with money there could be a counter that counts the total amount of times this player has won a reaction test before - like it is common on many other servers.




Thanks for reading all this and I hope to receive feedback from those who are active players on littlewhitey's sa-mp server.

regards [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Aryan on October 30, 2014, 11:55:02 AM
What about friendly fire?

If you mean to disable friendly fire for gang members that's lame. Besides there are situations where you need to kill somebody in your gang, when for instance, you wish to not let another player kill your partner and you give him the last shot and steal the kill. Thats pretty funny and there is people that do it, including myself.

Also the mistake of killing a gang member by accident is part of the fun too.  Disable friendly fire for events might be cool but not for a daily basis.

ohk cool :)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Milivoje on October 30, 2014, 12:24:40 PM
What about friendly fire?

If you mean to disable friendly fire for gang members that's lame. Besides there are situations where you need to kill somebody in your gang, when for instance, you wish to not let another player kill your partner and you give him the last shot and steal the kill. Thats pretty funny and there is people that do it, including myself.

Also the mistake of killing a gang member by accident is part of the fun too.  Disable friendly fire for events might be cool but not for a daily basis.

ohk cool :)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on October 30, 2014, 04:26:59 PM

  • Increasing the amount of Rustlers at LV Airport
This was discussed internally and it's a no for now.


Reason?
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [V]Playa on October 30, 2014, 04:56:07 PM
because R was dead :x
nice suggestions tho
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on October 30, 2014, 05:26:55 PM

  • Increasing the amount of Rustlers at LV Airport
This was discussed internally and it's a no for now.


Reason?

Because fuck you, that's why :)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: SKY on October 30, 2014, 07:30:42 PM

  • Increasing the amount of Rustlers at LV Airport
This was discussed internally and it's a no for now.


Reason?


Rustlers OP, you guy's already received four rustlers for your R base before.
EDIT: Commenting on the gang bank, I think they should keep the deposit option only for gangs with atleast 3+ members
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on October 30, 2014, 07:41:09 PM

  • Increasing the amount of Rustlers at LV Airport
This was discussed internally and it's a no for now.


Its not about the [R] Clan as i already explained above. The demant of Rustlers is higher than it used to be. There are now several Joker members, L0kw, Fahad, Bushido_brate flying Rustlers almost daily.

With 3 players minimum in one gang nothing would be fixed, players will just create second accounts or invite random noobs who only join the server once to increase their Bank limit.

Reason?


Rustlers OP, you guy's already received four rustlers for your R base before.
EDIT: Commenting on the gang bank, I think they should keep the deposit option only for gangs with atleast 3+ members
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: enkei on October 31, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
HOLD UP. THERE IS AN AIRCRAFT PAY AND SPRAY?
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on October 31, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
HOLD UP. THERE IS AN AIRCRAFT PAY AND SPRAY?

Yep.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: enkei on October 31, 2014, 01:57:30 PM
HOLD UP. THERE IS AN AIRCRAFT PAY AND SPRAY?

Yep.

Stop teasing me! Where and how do I use it?! :D I know how to use the donator commands, but that's the only way I know of.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on October 31, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
HOLD UP. THERE IS AN AIRCRAFT PAY AND SPRAY?

Yep.

Stop teasing me! Where and how do I use it?! :D I know how to use the donator commands, but that's the only way I know of.
http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,20505.msg202591.html#msg202591 (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,20505.msg202591.html#msg202591)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Runey on October 31, 2014, 05:03:22 PM
My opinion about first suggestion:
You're totally right about that.Since the bank limit of every non-donator's(regular's) player is 5millions,they'll try to find another way how to make it higher. +1
Second suggestion:
Well,if i understood this well,you suggest that devs should make something like ,,Gang's Properties'' that would only allow the gang/clan that has taken control over it(the property),to recieve money from it,right? If i'm correct,i agree with you.That'd be kinda cool. :pp
Third suggestion:
It's not bad idea,but people don't usually(never) read the introduction when they first join LW,as spit said,Enter,enter and accept....They only wanna play and enjoy the freedom lw gives them.But yeah,it'd be good for avoiding spawn killers(i admit that i even do it sometimes :(().
Fourth suggestion:
It'll be ok if they add like 3 rustlers at LVA(in SFA and LSA,too),because i enjoy flying,and when im bored,i usually do some stunts with rustler.But when i come to that airport,there're no newly spawned rustlers,only damaged ones or none.
Fifth suggestion:
Yep,it's not fair for these people who waste around 5-10 mins(even a half of an hour) to find needed car so they can export it.They earn less money + they waste more time than these who just type few letters and earn like 20000$,but i have no problem with reaction tests to be honest.I'm okay with both options.You decide.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Fraw on November 02, 2014, 08:01:51 PM

  • Increasing the amount of Rustlers at LV Airport
This was discussed internally and it's a no for now.


Reason?

Because fuck you, that's why :)

^ This
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 02, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
Seriously.. it's so fucking annoying in what direction [R] has pushed the server.

Over all the past years, since the beginning of the gryphus era, [R] has constantly tried their hardest to transform this server into a pilot server, and they have succeeded.
It would seriously fuck me totally up if I still played actively.

I can't even tell for sure whether this is the reason why I have stopped playing. It has definitely contributed a good part, as this is not the LW I have learned to love anymore. Maybe this is exactly all that [R] did ever dream for? :P

On the other hand, the best times on LW I can remember are the wars against Gryphus. It was absolutely hilarious, as this guy seriously hated me with all his heart. I could feel it all the way over the internet. It was simply lovely. Lmao.. someone bring him back and I will be back just to chase him off again xD

Jesus.. I am totally nuts. This server seriously is something else...
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Fuse on November 03, 2014, 03:40:37 AM
Have you even been to a pilot server? I really doubt it... 2 repair shops and a few more rustlers, how is that a pilot server?
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 03, 2014, 07:35:29 AM
BikeDriver pls

There are also cars, tuning shops and pay n sprays for cars -> doesn't mean we're a racing server either.

Jesus.. I am totally nuts.
☐  Not REKT ☑  REKT

The single most cynic shit i read all day srsly. [R] is a pilot clan, [R] is active, [R] fucking flies planes. Not our fault if no-one else is active to serve the other server features, you in particular.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on November 03, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
Over all the past years, since the beginning of the gryphus era, [R] has constantly tried their hardest to transform this server into a pilot server, and they have succeeded.
It would seriously fuck me totally up if I still played actively.

On the other hand, the best times on LW I can remember are the wars against Gryphus. It was absolutely hilarious, as this guy seriously hated me with all his heart. I could feel it all the way over the internet. It was simply lovely. Lmao.. someone bring him back and I will be back just to chase him off again xD

There was an area in which you and gryphus were friends, Henning.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 03, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
There was an area in which you and gryphus were friends, Henning.

You mean era, not area, right?

I seriously don't know what time you mean. I can't recall that I ever would have considered him a friend. He's definitely my worst enemy and in some sort of way i appreciate his mere existance, but that can't be considered friendship. I respect him for having one of most unique characters of all time and being the most stubborn living thing I have ever met. But again, that's not friendship.

Jesus.. I am totally nuts.
☐  Not REKT ☑  REKT

I am nuts, but I proudly am.
And yes, I love cynicism, as it's one of the strongest rhetorical devices.

BTW: What does REKT stand for here? Google isn't helpful.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 03, 2014, 05:13:42 PM
BTW: What does REKT stand for here? Google isn't helpful.
google "ud rekt", click the first link.
http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rekt (http://de.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rekt)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: enkei on November 03, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
I personally do not see making more airplanes spawn at an airport an unreasonable request.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on November 03, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Google isn't helpful.

Your presence in this whole topic is not helpful. How about you fuck off now?

This was meant to be for

the active lw-players.  ::)

Gryphus himself told me that there was an era in which you 2 have been friends.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 03, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Gryphus himself told me that there was an era in which you 2 have been friends.

Well.. I can't confirm that, as I don't remember it.

Google isn't helpful.
Your presence in this whole topic is not helpful. How about you fuck off now?

This was meant to be for

the active lw-players.  ::)

First off, LW shouldn't be concerned about the people who are active, you should be concerned about the people who are not active.

But well.. I wouldn't consider it helpful either if I were you but I have provided the perfect contrast to your rustler dreamland  in pretty much the most effective way there is. Yes, my point of view is extreme. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on November 03, 2014, 05:24:57 PM
I personally do not see making more airplanes spawn at an airport an unreasonable request.

Thanks. I still haven't found the staff member who comes up with a valid argument contra this suggestion. "I don't like Rustlers shooting me" is not a valid argument.
"Some people hate Rustlers" is also not a valid argument. -.-
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on November 03, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
First off, LW shouldn't be concerned about the people who are active, you should be concerned about the people who are not active.

(https://littlewhiteys.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F3%2F3b%2FParis_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg&hash=73c4837372667f95cfc464395c76fc9493f07cf8)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 03, 2014, 05:34:56 PM
Well.. posting facepalm pictures and writing
"I don't like Rustlers shooting me" is not a valid argument.
"Some people hate Rustlers" is also not a valid argument. -.-

Isn't exactly what I would consider helpful or reasonable either.

The staff removed db stats because people didn't like being dbed, to name one thing. So how come this argument is suddenly invalid?
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: SKY on November 03, 2014, 10:19:54 PM
Can everyone calm the fuck down? Yes the new ideas of rustlers made a huge or small impact on the server, depending on peoples opinion, but that is no reason you guys to start arguing. I my self do not like some of the updates, but at the same times I do see some potential in them. Some of you who argue are not even ACTIVE (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNLnDngZSkvJBeV_HUF9ldGIuQ_TvpquSFl6R6XPSJLUH2XByz6w) in the server. If anything these changes can possibly bring more players and if not than the management will find a better solution.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLPhWVrqz2Xl3mraFcTiwnUZdPCQxLXFU7iAnH9m2ik6_NwyD5)
(https://littlewhiteys.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gifbay.com%2F2013%2F08%2Fadventure_time_dancing_bug-73944.gif&hash=45dd16818aef249f244f651474102e871294b765)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: [R]Qwerbeet_rulstler on November 04, 2014, 07:17:18 AM
I still haven't found the staff member who comes up with a valid argument contra this suggestion. "I don't like Rustlers shooting me" is not a valid argument. "Some people hate Rustlers" is also not a valid argument. -.-

Perhaps i am reading wrong but i haven't seen any staff member imply here they dislike rustlers shooting them nor that people hates rustlers. May i see the quote where this is written, please? i'll deliver my argument if you deliver the quote.

Seems like made up asseverations are starting to become a new thing.

I have talked to Habdel and Blewert about it for a longer time. Also eDiT already saved the positions of new Rustlers for LVA ingame, however he said he will discuss it with the other developers first. The result is that nothing ever happened. When i talked about staff members, I didn't just mean this topic, i meant generally what I was told on the IRC or on forums.

http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,13283.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,13283.0.html)

Increasing the amount of Rustlers and also helicopters at Las Venturas Airport or any other airport, would not be noticed by players who don't use them. Right now there are 5 Rustlers - about 8 helicopters in LV,  that doesn't mean you are permanently in the fear of 8 Helikillers and 5 Rustlers. The only consequences increasing the number of them is, that there are then enough planes for the times the server is busy.
Airport wars can be really intense. When my buddy jerone had his setspawn at the 4 Rustlers at the Hangars in LV, us 2 already ran out of Rustlers - simply because once you ram the Rustler with a car when taking off, it already looses 20-50% of its health, depending on where you hit it.

Anyways the whole topic shouldn't be all about more Rustlers. I'm kind of disappointed few people here really gave me a feedback about the other points yet.
Since the [R] Gang Bank Account is full, we don't really spend effort on capturing territories anymore, since it's just money. We filled it all up in less than a week mostly with members holding properties. The points I named in my first post would really be a huge improvement of the gameplay i think.

regards Qwer
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Runey on November 04, 2014, 10:57:49 PM
SKY,that picture made me to fucking laugh...I love this kind of people who're always there to bring some peace and seriously hilarious fun! ;)
On topic: Increasing the number of rustlers for a little(as i've already written and suggested above) is not going to change whole universe.Of course nobody does like the race ruiners,such as R's use to do at times.But no need for such arguing,men...Although,people feel totally different way when they switch the places.Am i right,no?
So,it's not going to harm ANYONE if we add like few more rustlers any helis at each airport(about 3).
Also,i'm not considering newbies into this,'cause most of them enjoy just freeroaming with their friends(tunning cars,visiting places all around SA etc.) around and nothing more,i'm sure that,maybe 10-20% of them care about flying. :)
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Quickplay on November 05, 2014, 10:56:12 AM
Increasing the number of rustlers for a little(as i've already written and suggested above) is not going to change whole universe.
[...]
So,it's not going to harm ANYONE if we add like few more rustlers any helis at each airport(about 3).
I agree, but i also have the feeling that the number of rustlers/helis around will never be enough for someone, no matter if you increase their number like they already did...
I remember this same discussion started years ago, about adding some rustlers etc..cause there weren't enough around for those who used them more. Rustlers were increased and here we are again

Anyway like Qwer said, let's not only focus on rustlers, since there are so many other important things to talk about
Btw concerning the other suggestions, they wouldn't be bad
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 05, 2014, 05:33:28 PM
I heard you guys liked serious discussions, so let's turn this into one. In the following I will try my best to explain my hatred and disgust against [R] and Rustlers on LW in general, without the use of cynicism or too many other rhetorical devices.

I still haven't found the staff member who comes up with a valid argument contra this suggestion. "I don't like Rustlers shooting me" is not a valid argument. "Some people hate Rustlers" is also not a valid argument. -.-

Perhaps i am reading wrong but i haven't seen any staff member imply here they dislike rustlers shooting them nor that people hates rustlers. May i see the quote where this is written, please? i'll deliver my argument if you deliver the quote.

Seems like made up asseverations are starting to become a new thing.

Spitfire, whether any staff member has said it in this topic is not even important, because it's pretty much a given fact. Yes, nobody but me dares to talk honestly about it but everybody (but [R]) feels absolutely the same way, when they are honest to themselves and are not trying to show off how tolerant they are.

You disagree? Then let me ask you a very legit question:
You like racing, don't you? If I remember correctly you hold the record for all around san andreas. What would you have thought if a rustler came by shooting you 60 seconds before the finish line in that perfect lap of yours? You would have thought "You fucking piece of fucking fuck". You would not have been happily thinking "Yay, great [R] clen having epic fun. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

The same shit happens when you are trying to get from one point to another and some bored [R] member starts shooting you. You think "fuck off". You don't think "Yay let's stop and shoot at it for 15 minutes until either I run out of ammo or he gets a new one and we start over again. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

Everything would be fine if you could get your revenge on the guy who did this to you. But you can't. As the following shows:

For the following comparison I reduce LW to these four basic DM elements: Tank, DB, On Foot, Rustler.
Shit means, the fight is most likely only enjoyable for only one participant and/or ineffective bullshit.
Good means, the fight is possibly enjoyable for both participants and effective in both directions:

vs.   Tank   DB   On Foot   Rustler
Tank   Good fight   Good fight   Good fight   Shit fight
DB   Good fight   Good fight   Good fight   Shit fight
On Foot   Good fight   Good fight   Good fight   Shit fight
Rustler   Shit fight   Shit fight   Shit fight   Good fight

Now this should make clear why the staff doesn't want to increase the amount of rustlers, as the only thing you can hope for in a fight against a herd of rustler nerds is that they at some point run out of rustlers or lose interest. But nowadays, they won't. Ever. Every airport and AREA69 are packed with rustlers. [R] has as the only clan their own clan base, packed with rustlers and now they even got 2 repair bays.

Of course, Qwerbeet will now argue: "Then get a rustler yourself!"
But that is EXACTLY what he wants, because he will bash you to the ground, as this is the only thing he has been training for, for the last 4 years. [R] are not defeatable for people who haven't spent 1.000 hours in the fucking plane. There are multiple effective ways to fight anything. The rustler is the ONLY element in the entire server where this isn't the case.

Qwerbeet thinks he is some sort of knight, as he spents so much time with his "ineffective" weapon. But if you are honest, what he does is the most pathetic thing you could possibly ever do on this server. Forcing everybody who you are fighting to adapt to your extremely annoying playstyle if they want to somehow be able to fight you effectively. It is hard to find a good comparinson, as there is no activity on LW that is as pathetic, as the table above implies but I'll try my best:

It is like waiting in the duel arena, being able to force anybody on the server to dildo-duel you to the death after you have spent 1.000 hours training to fight with a shitty dildo. This is in a nutshell exactly what [R] has been doing for the last few years.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: enkei on November 05, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
Guys...



It's called wrastling.

Sorry, USA inside joke.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Runey on November 05, 2014, 09:20:51 PM
@BikeDriver

1)Nobody really knows what R's are planning to do with these,neither is your job to find out,as we haven't promoted you to ,Mr.Agent Rank' or something,yet.I myself wouldn't really care if they added few more rustlers and helis at each airport,as i have already mentioned.This is what we don't agree about.

2)You're right about the race ruining fact,though.Nobody ever enjoyed a race which included rustlers ruining your fun in.Even if you try to do your best to, for e.g.(like Spitfire did), make a new record in All around SA.That's perfect chance for rustler ruinners to destroy your vehicle,and to possibly kill you.That's something we agree about.

3)Also,you're right about the fact R's are the only clan that have got their own base,made especially for them.But,we're not talking about the normal RW and WW clans(clans with skilled players on foot),this is R,Rustler team,which recruits only those interested in rustlers,which also requires skills(flying).
So,generally i don't personally have anything against them,neither their base,cause i don't really need one.And that's what i wanna ask you.Why would you yell and argue about,when you could simply not care,and not recognize it,like it doesn't even exist(ignore)? Eh?
Leave it as it is,staff is going to decide what's right and what's wrong here.

P.s That's a nice chart you did draw there. xD
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 05, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
Geez BikeDriver, when did you turn into a whiney pussy.

I heard you guys liked serious discussions, so let's turn this into one. /*totally not cynic*/ In the following I will try my best to explain my hatred and disgust against [R] and Rustlers on LW in general, without the use of cynicism or too many other rhetorical devices.
No one cares. Stay on topic you muppet.

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Spitfire, whether any staff member has said it in this topic is not even important, because it's pretty much a given fact. Yes, nobody but me dares to talk honestly about it but everybody /* not rly */ (but [R]) feels absolutely the same way, when they are honest to themselves and are not trying to show off how tolerant they are.
I doubt that seriously, this is just a groundless allegation you did not even have any possibility to research for. Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while. Players you couldn't know about since you're inactive. The server has changed a lot in the recent past and if you can't handle it it's time for you to move on. All of the changes that are still online to date did benefit the server through increased player activity, whereas your mourning isn't helping anyone.

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You disagree? Then let me ask you a very legit question: //such legit wow
You like racing, don't you? If I remember correctly you hold the record for all around san andreas. What would you have thought if a rustler came by shooting you 60 seconds before the finish line in that perfect lap of yours? You would have thought "You fucking piece of fucking fuck". You would not have been happily thinking "Yay, great [R] clen having epic fun. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".
Welcome to LW's!

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The same shit happens when you are trying to get from one point to another and some bored [R] member starts shooting you. You think "fuck off". You don't think "Yay let's stop and shoot at it for 15 minutes until either I run out of ammo or he gets a new one and we start over again. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".
Enjoy your stay here m8. Type /register to save your stats and money.

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Everything would be fine if you could get your revenge on the guy who did this to you. But you can't. As the following shows:
Get rekt noob. Seriously. Maybe you can't get revenge, but take a look at my death stats and you'll see how perfectly possible that is.

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For the following comparison I reduce LW to these four basic DM elements: Tank, DB, On Foot, Rustler.
Shit means, the fight is most likely only enjoyable for only one participant and/or ineffective bullshit.
Good means, the fight is possibly enjoyable for both participants and effective in both directions:

vs.   Tank   DB   On Foot   Rustler
Tank   Good fight   Shit fight   Shit fight   Shit fight
DB   Shit fight   Good fight   Shit fight   Shit fight
On Foot   Shit fight   Shit fight   Good fight   Shit fight
Rustler   Shit fight   Shit fight   Shit fight   Good fight
//fixed it for you <3
Hilarious? funny? yes.
True? well researched? no.

Tank vs db is exactly very much fun yea. For the tank. Unless you're talking about passenger db in a driverless car. Which is disallowed.

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Now this should make clear why the staff doesn't want to increase the amount of rustlers,
Mediocre work on pretending to know what staff decided and why, gratz.
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as the only thing you can hope for in a fight against a herd of rustler nerds is that they at some point run out of rustlers or lose interest. But nowadays, they won't. Ever. Every airport and AREA69 are packed with rustlers. [R] has as the only clan their own clan base, packed with rustlers and now they even got 2 repair bays.
Maybe you should rather hope to finally grow a pair of balls.

Let me quickly count through for you, since you don't seem to have done that:
LV Airport - total planes: 13, of which are rustlers: 3 (current state, before it was 16/5) PACKED
LS International - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 4 PACKED AS HELL
SF Easter Bay Airport - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 3 LITERALLY BURSTING
Verdant Meadows Abandoned Airfield - total planes: 8, of which are rustlers: 2 IT IS EXPLODING OF RUSTLERS
Area 69 Airstrip - total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 2 DUDE MORE THAN 60% LITERALLY THIS IS TOO MUCH!
SF Hill Farm (refered to as R-Base) - total planes: 4, of which are rustlers: 4 DUDE FFS, I CANT TAKE THAT MANY
and you forgot to mention
SF Naval Base Aircraft Carrier: total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 3. WTFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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Of course, Qwerbeet will now argue: "Then get a rustler yourself!"
But that is EXACTLY what he wants, /*no shit, who the fuck argues things they don't want*/ because he will bash you to the ground, as this is the only thing he has been training for, for the last 4 years. [R] are not defeatable for people who haven't spent 1.000 hours in the fucking plane.  There are multiple effective ways to fight anything. The rustler is the ONLY element in the entire server where this isn't the case.

Qwerbeet thinks he is some sort of knight, as he spents so much time with his "ineffective" weapon. But if you are honest, what he does is the most pathetic thing you could possibly ever do on this server. Forcing everybody who you are fighting to adapt to your extremely annoying playstyle if they want to somehow be able to fight you effectively. It is hard to find a good comparinson, as there is no activity on LW that is as pathetic, as the table above implies but I'll try my best:

It is like waiting in the duel arena, being able to force anybody on the server to dildo-duel you to the death after you have spent 1.000 hours training to fight with a shitty dildo. This is in a nutshell exactly what [R] has been doing for the last few years.
I wouldn't call a weapon that can make you rage like this 'ineffective'. We Rs aren't knights, we're aint even fighters in that sense. R members are pilots. And what do pilots do? They fucking pilot planes. If you got a problem with that then it's yours. We don't force anybody to fly a plane, that's just utter bullshit.

Also, you better be sweeping at your own door before starting to go off at others. You've trained RW and Helikilling for years before [R]. You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW just because you want to prove that you could destroy us on the ground. No need for that, unlike you we have the common sense to know that everyone has a different taste and is good in a particular field which is not necessarily the same.

You know they say people assume other people's behaviour by 99% off of their own. And your post was literally the best example for that i have seen in my entire lifetime. Maybe it will make you famous in Psychology someday.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 06, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
Spitfire you sure are bored lol.

Thanks for recounting my numbers, did it from what i remembered yesterday, and since the totals are higher it somehow succeeds a bit more to prove the point i wanted to make with it. Propably you got me wrong since i did not intend to talk about the total number of rustlers but that's ok since i propably got Bikedriver wrong in the first place. I looked it up in the bikdriv<>english dictionary and turns out 'Every Airport is packed' actually means 'The total ammount is too high'. My bad.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 06, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
Good that we could clear all misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: BikeDriver on November 06, 2014, 06:24:41 PM
K, this took some time to read.

First off, Spitfire thank you. I've got nothing to add, besides that your suggested changes to the server would most likely bring me back to the list of fully actives. Glad you enjoyed my post.

Secondly Enzo... Posts and insults on such a low level and your attempts to twist my words are not like you. I seriously excepted a little more effort by you to make me rage. Maybe you are really just at your limit. I'll leave out all the personal insults and focus on the few meaningful things you have tried to express.

No one cares. Stay on topic
I am perfectly on topic and you have proven how fucking much you do care.

Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while.
I am not judging people who fly a rustler once every 10 hours. I am judging people who spent 9 out of 10 hours hiding in rustlers.

Maybe you can't get revenge, but take a look at my death stats and you'll see how perfectly possible that is.
Your K/D ratio is not important as you are and you will always be a bad player and you are the only [R] who spents far more time on the ground than in the air. The K/D ratio of any other [R] is not important either. The rustler is absolutely useless to kill people. It's only purpose is to annoy people. They are like mosquitoes, the most hated insect on this planet. Hard to catch, hard to kill, not deadly but you just hate it when they are near you.

Tank vs db is exactly very much fun yea. For the tank.
You need many attempts in order to take out the tank with db. Or you need a few attempts if you are decent on a motorcycle, as there is the possibility to always stay behinds the tanks turrets. Something a player of your level would never been capable of. So DB vs. Tank is somewhat balanced, as fluffy only spawns once a week. But all it takes to destroy a tank is one rustler and 30 seconds of time. The remaining content of your version of the chart is too shitty for me to argue against.

*counting rustlers and writting a shitload of bullshit*
Let me quickly count through for you, since you don't seem to have done that:
LV Airport - total planes: 13, of which are rustlers: 3 (current state, before it was 16/5) PACKED
LS International - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 4 PACKED AS HELL
SF Easter Bay Airport - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 3 LITERALLY BURSTING
Verdant Meadows Abandoned Airfield - total planes: 8, of which are rustlers: 2 IT IS EXPLODING OF RUSTLERS
Area 69 Airstrip - total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 2 DUDE MORE THAN 60% LITERALLY THIS IS TOO MUCH!
SF Hill Farm (refered to as R-Base) - total planes: 4, of which are rustlers: 4 DUDE FFS, I CANT TAKE THAT MANY
and you forgot to mention
SF Naval Base Aircraft Carrier: total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 3. WTFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

There are as many rustlers as there are average players online. There are 7 different sources for rustlers, all across the map making it impossible to cut [R] off their rustler stock. So yes, the server is motherfucking PACKED with rustlers. AND YOUR CLAN STILL ASKS FOR MORE!

I wouldn't call a weapon that can make you rage like this 'ineffective'.
That's why I have placed "ineffective" in quotes.

We Rs aren't knights, we're aint even fighters in that sense. R members are scum.
Agreed, I just had to fix that last word for you.

You've trained Helikilling
Wtf.

You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW
Any of my playstyles harmonizes with the servers concept and many other playstyles. [R]s playstyle (singular!) doesn't(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). That's the one thing I have tried to make as clear as possible with my last post. But as you are [R] you just refuse to accept that I am totally right about this.

your post was literally the best example for that i have seen in my entire lifetime. Maybe it will make you famous in Psychology someday.
My post is not something special because of some deep, meaningful message on a psychological layer.
It is something special (and even you as an [R] realized that subconsciously) because it is 100% fucking accurate.
Stop trying to show off your nonexistant ability to look right through other people.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Runey on November 07, 2014, 09:39:40 AM
Increasing the number of rustlers for a little(as i've already written and suggested above) is not going to change whole universe.
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So,it's not going to harm ANYONE if we add like few more rustlers any helis at each airport(about 3).
I agree, but i also have the feeling that the number of rustlers/helis around will never be enough for someone, no matter if you increase their number like they already did...........
Sorry,my bad,since i am not able to predict the future or to read other's minds,it is gonna hurt someone,obviously.And BikeDriver has the point there.Reading all these replies of BikeDriver(and Spitfire's) ,i changed my mind,'cause they sort of told me to stop and think for a minute.As far as i can remember,no clan ever asked for a favor such as this one is.R-team is the only clan having their base like BikeDriver(marked as ,BD' in this text) said above,which is,if you ask me,a gift that would mean a lot to me.And now,when they got what they asked/wanted to,they even dare to ask for more stuff(more rustlers).
There are as many rustlers as there are average players online. There are 7 different sources for rustlers, all across the map making it impossible to cut [R] off their rustler stock. So yes, the server is motherfucking PACKED with rustlers. AND YOUR CLAN STILL ASKS FOR MORE!
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Still askin for more? Nah,if there really is something that we need ,it's blista compact(a vehicle really hard to find on lw).
Until those mappers/staff decides what will be added and WHY,your beautiful idea of adding more rustlers is gone.Say ,Good bye.'
Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while.
I am not judging people who fly a rustler once every 10 hours. I am judging people who spent 9 out of 10 hours hiding in rustlers.
BD,what if i told you that they've recently deleted the vehicle you like very much and you're good at using?(i dunno which one do you prefer for e.g. helis lol).You're not here to command what will other people do.If they like spending 10 hrs a day in rustler,just let them.Let them do what THEY want to(that'd be freaking sick).
You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW
Any of my playstyles harmonizes with the servers concept and many other playstyles. [R]s playstyle (singular!) doesn't(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). That's the one thing I have tried to make as clear as possible with my last post. But as you are [R] you just refuse to accept that I am totally right about this.
Everybody has their own playstyle,nobody can take it from you(only try to steal it).Having and playing the game with your playstyle is good,as long as it's not against the rules.
Spitfire you sure are bored lol.
He's not bored,he just likes explaining other people things they don't understand,or things that can't simply be understood.Whenever you don't understand something,you ask for explanation,of course.It's normal.Spitfire obviously likes doing it,and he's used to it now.
Anyways:
Should add:Other Suggestions would be great to add.
Should not add:Rustlers.
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Remember: this is my opinion.
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: SKY on November 07, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
He's not bored,he just likes explaining other people things they don't understand,or things that can't simply be understood.Whenever you don't understand something,you ask for explanation,of course.It's normal.Spitfire obviously likes doing it,and he's used to it now.


Enzo was joking, it wasnt a serious thing to take lol...
Title: Re: Suggestion concerning Gangs and more
Post by: Sl0c4N on November 07, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
good ideas , I think should when some one say some thing in the main chat, should appear his id.