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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: eDiT on December 21, 2014, 10:06:16 PM
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Hi guys,
So I've been thinking about this for a while... what if we added another littlewhitey's SA-MP server to the community?
I'm looking for some insight, whether it's a good idea or not, and what type of server it would be exactly. Keep in mind LVDM server is not going anywhere obviously, but I figured it may be beneficial to expand the littlewhitey community, couldn't hurt right?!
Share your ideas and what type of server you all would find most enjoyable. I was thinking of some type of cool stunt server to relax in, when the DM server gets a little overwhelming ;)
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something like min-imissions would be cool
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NPC server where we can torture and kill an eDiT-bot all day.
Seriously though, ... seriously?
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Seriously though, ... seriously?
Seriously.
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NPC server where we can torture and kill an eDiT-bot all day.
Seriously though, ... seriously?
hahahah lmao!!
Some kind of a stunt/freeroam server would be great as for a 2nd LWs Server.Having another server surely can't hurt,it will actually bring some more fun,too! I like your idea,keep in mind that it costs,and good question: Which website/company offers the best servers?
It could also help the main LW to gain some players,too! Of course,if this idea gets real! :D
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Then our main server will be empty and lonely :(
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Should be different from LW & Server should have some role-play also we will have a Good enjoyment their. Should have a Stunts + race + DM + Role-Play...
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Then our main server will be empty and lonely :(
I did that remark and got censored, lol.
Lw have ~20 player, no point in opening another server spliting the playerbase even more.
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Imo we should add a little rpg elements to our current server.Like buying house,clan hq,having a car,etc.That would be much more cool
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Making a new server with new objectives can work, to get the "community active" even tho the community is mostly made of the other server and not the main
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That sounds like you gave up on the main DM server.
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I don't know if it is a good idea. I think the players will split and the half of littlewhiteys will play on the new server, the other half on the old server.
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Imo we should add a little rpg elements to our current server.Like buying house,clan hq,having a car,etc.That would be much more cool
I strongly agree with this and this is what I think since a long time. There are not many good death match servers with roleplay features. Littlewhitey's current gamemode is the perfect sa-mp server in my opinion. Death-Match is allowed everywhere around the map. There is an active community with the same players. We have more or less active Gangs like [R], (B), [Joker] and [Inc] which is something that few other servers have. I think we could easily add more roleplay features for the big sa-mp community which enjoys them without scaring away the active community we have right now.
I'm thinking off features that will be added to a player's stats like 'kills', 'deaths' and duel stats.
For example:
Trucking missions that are well scripted and make the player travel all around the map. Who doesn't like driving trucks?
Cargo Airplane missions that are well scripted and make the player travel to the 4 existing airports and possibly to some more "mapped islands" with airports somewehere away from the original map. Maybe even blewert's old helicopter transport mission script.
Player Houses somewhere in Los Santos for example. It would be a good thing for players to spend their money on, and we could allow non-donators to set their spawn at their house.
Gang Headquaters for the RW/WW DM-Clans and possibly new clans. However, everytime i talked to (B), [Joker] and [V] leaders in the past they always thought about it as something that is not really necessary.
Stats, Stats, Stats, Stats... many players in sa-mp care about stats. The more information they give, the better.
Moreover I think we could do more to advertise the server. I try to add littlewhitey's, lw, littlewhiteys samp, littlewhiteys GTA tags to every Gta video I upload. Who knows, it might bring us some new players if they end up watching videos from littlewhitey's on Youtube. Especially Enzo's Littlewhitey's-Weeks playlist is great promotion. ,
Greetings Qwerbeet_rulstler
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Well,since i've read the replies after mine,thought about them & this is what i think and suggest:
@Chiroki - The idea i hate the most is turning LVDM into a Roleplay server,and RP Servers in general.
@Fraw - No,new server will bring new,fresh players which would probably lead to LW gaining newbies/players afterwards,of course if it gets hosted.Yeah,some players will also starting playing on LWs 2nd server,but i'm sure they won't stop playing on the main one,'cause they've had a lot of fun there. -1
@SKY - Yes,could do the work,but it depends on the type of the objectives we would possibly add.
@Goggi - I'll say it to once again.Making another server is not gonna hurt,and wouldn't make the main one emptier,but would help to grow to what it used to be and gain players.
@Diablo & Qwer - Agree with your suggestions,but don't make it like that it looks totally same to RP.I like Gang Headquaters,Cargo Airplane,Player Houses.
Remember,this is just my opinion about this. :D
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Mmh not sure if this would help...i got the feeling it could be counterproductive instead..leading to the abandonment of the old LW :/
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The idea with this is not to split players, but try to actract new ones. We are going to struggle getting new players on LVDM for problems that me and eDiT cannot solve (the annoying playerbase). However if we try to branch out into something where lots of players are, we might be able to steal some for ouirselves.
Check here; http://monitor.sacnr.com (http://monitor.sacnr.com). There are plenty of players still in SA:MP, its just attracting them with something they want to do.
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The idea with this is not to split players, but try to actract new ones. We are going to struggle getting new players on LVDM for problems that me and eDiT cannot solve (the annoying playerbase). However if we try to branch out into something where lots of players are, we might be able to steal some for ouirselves.
Check here; http://monitor.sacnr.com (http://monitor.sacnr.com). There are plenty of players still in SA:MP, its just attracting them with something they want to do.
what if they joined the new server, but not the old one? that's what i'm thinking of
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It would be nice to give it a try. If we do, I'd agree with Shizalk with mini-missions. We could give other GM's a try as well.
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Old lw is dead nomatter what. Littlewhitey's cops n robbers ftw
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Old lw is dead nomatter what. Littlewhitey's cops n robbers ftw
haha,your gamemode's fun to play xDD
Would be good too!
Btw,LWs not dead,we're getting 30-40 players every day(not new,players ingame).
It would be nice to give it a try. If we do, I'd agree with Shizalk with mini-missions. We could give other GM's a try as well.
Yeah,why not.That's what i was talking about.
Redirect_Left and eDiT made this topic with a reason.They wouldn't have made it if it hurted somebody.Idea is generally not bad at all.We should give it a try!
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Redirect_Left and eDiT made this topic with a reason.They wouldn't have made it if it hurted somebody.Idea is generally not bad at all.We should give it a try!
The main reason would be to see what sort of different server people here would like, but it may also end up being something that we know will attract players more, if no one here can come up with a good idea, and there's also a high chance that'd be scripting.
The rules of this new server would also need to be a lot stricter, so people couldn't exploit, glitch abuse and generally fuck up things like they do on the current server. I am hoping to get eDiT to rewrite the LWLVDM rules at some point to put and end to the pathetic crap the players get up to.
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Myself and eDiT have come to an agreement. I won't give too much detail until things are more solid.
Rest assured I hope that lvdm update a will not stall through it.
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The rules of this new server would also need to be a lot stricter, so people couldn't exploit, glitch abuse and generally fuck up things like they do on the current server. I am hoping to get eDiT to rewrite the LWLVDM rules at some point to put and end to the pathetic crap the players get up to.
This, 100%. The second part is a whole other conversation, but I agree :)
Anyways, to address some concerns. Runi pretty much took care of all of that to be honest though :)
Well,since i've read the replies after mine,thought about them & this is what i think and suggest:
@Chiroki - The idea i hate the most is turning LVDM into a Roleplay server,and RP Servers in general.
@Fraw - No,new server will bring new,fresh players which would probably lead to LW gaining newbies/players afterwards,of course if it gets hosted.Yeah,some players will also starting playing on LWs 2nd server,but i'm sure they won't stop playing on the main one,'cause they've had a lot of fun there. -1
@SKY - Yes,could do the work,but it depends on the type of the objectives we would possibly add.
@Goggi - I'll say it to once again.Making another server is not gonna hurt,and wouldn't make the main one emptier,but would help to grow to what it used to be and gain players.
@Diablo & Qwer - Agree with your suggestions,but don't make it like that it looks totally same to RP.I like Gang Headquaters,Cargo Airplane,Player Houses.
Remember,this is just my opinion about this. :D
One thing I want to stress, is that this will NOT impact littlewhitey's current playerbase. It will be a completely different gamemode style, and we plan on having it on the hosted tab as well, so of course we will be attracting a completely different audience. The intention is not to loose players or give up on LW_LVDM, it's only to help build up and expand the current littlewhitey's community :)
Thank you for everyone who shared some positivity!
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A separate server would divide the player base. I'd select the server with the better race script and never visit the other server. Each of us would select the element that they enjoy the most and never join the other server. Why would they?
Has anyone here ever registered an account on a roleplaying server and spent serious time playing? I'd imagine most of us haven't. The truth is, anybody who has already invested hundreds of hours into a roleplaying server isn't going to leave anytime soon. Why would they? And the handful of players that "server-hop" (the noobs we often see roaming our streets) are hackers looking for a playground. So, with those two facts considered, the number of new players that could potentially enter our server looking for a permanent home is extremely small when compared with the total number of active SA-MP players. There isn't much we can do about that.
In other words, most players are either already married, or just looking for a fuck.
How do we resolve this problem? Build a server that caters to a large palette of player desires with several unique "only-at-littlewhiteys" features integrated. Build an environment that feels like a home. Yes, this means we will need to cut ties with our "pure death-match" mentality, which I believe most of us have already done. We're actually well on our way to success. Disregarding the radical one-off player spikes, has our average player count increased since let's say this time last year? I don't have the data to support my answer, but I would assume it has.
I understand Fusez is permanently banned, but he has made some phenomenal game modes. Nitrous that can be injected manually with an actual meter - like a real car? He's done it. I can't even remember all of the fantastic ideas he's implemented in a test environment because the next idea immediately surpasses the last. His departure isn't insurmountable, but I'm going to tell you right now he holds the key to a quick turnaround. Just look at the Christmas snowfall in the server right now. Has anyone else seen that on other servers? I'm not saying his scripting ability exceeds that of RDL, but damn - that kid is creative as hell. He thinks of the coolest shit. The shit we need.
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I agree with freeroam one
question: can admeen's my give me donator level pls admen
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Just for the lulz, let's quote this from the suggestion board :
What about if we have a Command like /quote <Any funny quote or a good Quote> to post a good quote or Funny Quote in game. & To see a quotes use /quotes <ID of That quote which you want to see>
Thanks
The answer :
Also,i don't see any time staff could possibly waste on adding such a pointless command
This. It would be a completely none beneficial use of our time.
But Edit and redirect want to start another serv ? talk about a "none beficial use of our time." ....
also : We are going to struggle getting new players on LVDM for problems that me and eDiT cannot solve (the annoying playerbase).
Wow, just wow. Thx you, from the whole Lw "annoying playerbase" If you dont like it, leave it.
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You're free to leave this topic too,you know.There might be some people that are interested in this,and some good replies appear time to time on this topic,like enkei's,that almost made me cry(i'm serious).He's telling the truth,Fusez indeed did a very nice job,and also the christmas tree he's made is pretty much awesome! I support his comment,but unfortunately,i'm not the one who decides.
Well,i've been active for whole year and i can admit the playercount has grown up to 30 - 60 players.We surely improved LWs! Let's continue,since community has been doing a pretty good job!
Back on topic: @Fraw - Basically,as far as i can read from your reply,you're saying command such as '/quote ID' is not a waste of time,and making another server & possibly increasing the playercount(bringing some more fun) is waste of time? Let's stop there for a second and think about it more.
/quote ID command doesn't really give players any benefits,neither does help the server to grow.Am i right,no? :D
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I knew this discussion would take a turn for the worse with unneeded negativity...
Yes Fraw, you are one of the players that fall into the "annoying playerbase". There are just some players that are not healthy for a server's growth - that constantly shoot down potentially beneficial ideas, always complain that "we're not doing the right things", when in reality - the problem stems from the players themselves. When things start to pick up and become better, you're the type of person who still complains and focuses on the negative factors, picking out things we could be doing better still. So frankly, at this point, I don't care about your opinions anymore.
It's time to heal the server from the toxic players that continue to infect it.
The reason this post even exists is because we want to hear actual suggestions and honest opinions on things before we are to even execute something as big as this. But instead, as usual, we get more unneeded and useless criticism.
Does anyone ever want things to change, for better? When people post bullshit, it certainly doesn't seem that way.
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I knew this discussion would take a turn for the worse with unneeded negativity...
Yes Fraw, you are one of the players that fall into the "annoying playerbase". There are just some players that are not healthy for a server's growth - that constantly shoot down potentially beneficial ideas, always complain that "we're not doing the right things", when in reality - the problem stems from the players themselves. When things start to pick up and become better, you're the type of person who still complains and focuses on the negative factors, picking out things we could be doing better still. So frankly, at this point, I don't care about your opinions anymore.
It's time to heal the server from the toxic players that continue to infect it.
The reason this post even exists is because we want to hear actual suggestions and honest opinions on things before we are to even execute something as big as this. But instead, as usual, we get more unneeded and useless criticism.
Does anyone ever want things to change, for better? When people post bullshit, it certainly doesn't seem that way.
eDIT for president 2015!! :D
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A separate server would divide the player base. I'd select the server with the better race script and never visit the other server. Each of us would select the element that they enjoy the most and never join the other server. Why would they?
The server that me and eDiT have decided upon is one that is very far from LWs, and would share very little in common with it. Which would hopefully not cause this sort of divide, but infact bring more people to LWs as a whole.
We also said that we'd probably use a testing period of about a month or two to gauge if the idea is going to work, and if so, keep it all running, or if not, close it down and revert back to just LVDM
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A separate server would divide the player base. I'd select the server with the better race script and never visit the other server. Each of us would select the element that they enjoy the most and never join the other server. Why would they?
The server that me and eDiT have decided upon is one that is very far from LWs, and would share very little in common with it. Which would hopefully not cause this sort of divide, but infact bring more people to LWs as a whole.
We also said that we'd probably use a testing period of about a month or two to gauge if the idea is going to work, and if so, keep it all running, or if not, close it down and revert back to just LVDM
Hmm, well if there's one thing I know, it's that you and eDIT know what you're doing. You have my support. +1
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How are you going to get the new server out of the 0 player misery? Won't it be the same as with the main server?
How did it work with mm? Would love to get some insight on the early days of it.
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If you really want to add a new littlewhitey's server (I still don't know if it is a good idea, I did the same with a 190 player reallife server and the player exactly splitted), it should be a real stunt server.
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Well, At the moment we need to focus on increasing players traffic in main server, Adding a new server will be useless and will result in empty server.
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Well, At the moment we need to focus on increasing players traffic in main server, Adding a new server will be useless and will result in empty server.
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The new server has already been started on, and I have delivered eDiT the first screenshot, and he said "
omg dats ossum let me sux u off m8" wait thats the wrong conversation.
[23:37] <eDiT> :O
[23:37] <eDiT> omg
[23:40] <eDiT> thats nuts
That's what he said.
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Well, At the moment we need to focus on increasing players traffic in main server, Adding a new server will be useless and will result in empty server.
what do you think is eDit trying to do? That's the way to get more players! By creating a stunts server or something like that (which are very popular and it would get crowded in no time), we can encourage them to know our server by popping a message every now and then like: "take a look at our other server littlewhitey's bla bla.." What do we have to lose after all? If by doing this, we get an average of +10 players/day, I would call it a big success.
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I don't understand why you guys wanna make a new server since we can just improve the one we already have.. srsly, adding a few ramps around the map would make the server more "stunt like". There is absolutely no need to make another server since you can spend your time improving the main one.
Our gamemode already has plenty of different features like events/races/export etc.. There is no need to put any new feature on a new server.
Making a new server is just gonna create a new community of players that have nothing to do with the original littlewhitey's server and it could split the playerbase and i don't think there are any "toxic players on lw" killing noobs in a deathmatch server is completely normal, you can't blame them for following their "duty" and enjoying playing, noobs are killed because they must improve at fighting until they can actually stand a chance. You can't blame players for "deathmatching" on a deathmatch server.
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The thing i haven't understood yet is where this "new" server comes from. Was it a server already fully scripted for other purposes or what? ???
Cause i thought you had to start coding for it from scratch
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@Milivoje,Aryan,BikeDriver,Fraw retard who obviously continues with his story -
You're free to leave this topic too,you know.There might be some people that are interested in this,and some good replies appear time to time on this topic....
Let's stop there for a second and think about it more.
I won't repeat this.Negativity is something that we really need here.
@Habdel - I'll agree with one thing here.LWs should be improved as much as possible,devs are doing it everyday,working on it hardly! I disagree with the ramps and the fact about noobs...
First off,we've been enjoying(not all of us,but players in general) LWs for 8+ years and we're talking about ramps here? I've never heard LWs was also a stunting/minigames server.Thank you for letting me know!
Secondly,the thing you've just said about noobs is wrong.Maybe you,me and all other regulars here became pros by the time,but we're forgetting one thing.We've all started from somewhere.We've all had our first experiences.Noob needs time to get better at something like any other player.You think magic did its job and we all suddenly became professional,amazing players? Wrong,mate.Just sayin'.
Shizalk,enkei ,Qwer,Chiroki,Diablo and i obviously are the only ones who trust eDiT and Redirect_Left's idea.Good to know! Disapointed.
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Shizalk,enkei ,Qwer,Chiroki,Diablo and i obviously are the only ones who trust eDiT and Redirect_Left's idea.Good to know! Disapointed.
You are disapointed because we have our own mind? Weird.
I posted above why I am against the new server and I think that it is not a bad reason.
We will see if it will happen or not. :P
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The thing i haven't understood yet is where this "new" server comes from. Was it a server already fully scripted for other purposes or what? ???
Cause i thought you had to start coding for it from scratch
I have many many scripts that have been scripted, and either used for other servers, or was never completed. Here we are going to be using a script for an updated version of a server I used to run and dev for back in 2010 - 2011, that will be rebranded as LittleWhiteys 'Whatever It Is Here'. By doing this, we still have the LittleWhiteys name in the server, so it is obvious that it is part of us here.
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@Milivoje,Aryan,BikeDriver,Fraw retard who obviously continues with his story - You're free to leave this topic too,you know.There might be some people that are interested in this,and some good replies appear time to time on this topic....
Let's stop there for a second and think about it more.
I won't repeat this.Negativity is something that we really need here.
@Habdel - I'll agree with one thing here.LWs should be improved as much as possible,devs are doing it everyday,working on it hardly! I disagree with the ramps and the fact about noobs...
First off,we've been enjoying(not all of us,but players in general) LWs for 8+ years and we're talking about ramps here? I've never heard LWs was also a stunting/minigames server.Thank you for letting me know!
Secondly,the thing you've just said about noobs is wrong.Maybe you,me and all other regulars here became pros by the time,but we're forgetting one thing.We've all started from somewhere.We've all had our first experiences.Noob needs time to get better at something like any other player.You think magic did its job and we all suddenly became professional,amazing players? Wrong,mate.Just sayin'.
Shizalk,enkei ,Qwer,Chiroki,Diablo and i obviously are the only ones who trust eDiT and Redirect_Left's idea.Good to know! Disapointed.
Damn, get off that fucking high horse, child. Just what is wrong with you? When did you get into the position to judge people in such a manner or when did you get in charge of moderating this topic and telling people to leave?
How are you going to get the new server out of the 0 player misery? Won't it be the same as with the main server?
Same question. How is this going to work out? Don't exactly know how that question can be considered being negative.
Well.. no matter how you turn it. We are in no position of judging the situation as long as we have zero insight of what this new server is supposed to be like. Anything is possible. It only depends on the quality of that new server and peoples motivation.
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Can i ask you guys to chill a bit?
Everyone has their personal opinion, but i do't see why we should end up arguing just cause not everyone agrees.
Discussing politely about different points of view ca be constructive, but raising your voices like this only leads to useless quarrels :/
The thing i haven't understood yet is where this "new" server comes from. Was it a server already fully scripted for other purposes or what? ???
Cause i thought you had to start coding for it from scratch
I have many many scripts that have been scripted, and either used for other servers, or was never completed. Here we are going to be using a script for an updated version of a server I used to run and dev for back in 2010 - 2011, that will be rebranded as LittleWhiteys 'Whatever It Is Here'. By doing this, we still have the LittleWhiteys name in the server, so it is obvious that it is part of us here.
oh ok
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LVDM is a closed chapter, that's just the way it is. It's good that eDiT and Redirect_Left has figured this out. It's time for you guys to do the same.
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LVDM is a closed chapter, that's just the way it is. It's good that eDiT and Redirect_Left has figured this out. It's time for you guys to do the same.
Are you intending to make this sound like a high school relationship? We had 35+ players last night, there are plenty of people that are still interested in LVDM.
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Then our main server will be empty and lonely :(
True Hardy!
But, We can make a server in terms of some acrobatics or if someone plays RolePlay, because most of the players play this mod (RolePlay),
I can advertise on some large groups, but when the time comes, we'll see what will happen, it was just my suggestion
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i object
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LVDM is a closed chapter, that's just the way it is. It's good that eDiT and Redirect_Left has figured this out. It's time for you guys to do the same.
Are you intending to make this sound like a high school relationship? We had 35+ players last night, there are plenty of people that are still interested in LVDM.
I don't care what it sounds like. The fact remains, The fact that LVDM is a dying concept.
I think focusing less on deathmatch and more on missions, racing, freeroam etc would do good for the playercount. It would attract a wider range of players. Now, if you want to do this on the current server or another one matters less.
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The fact is also that LittleWhiteys points out the problem itself. It is the oldest server in SA:MP. Do you know what that means? It's the oldest idea in SA:MP.
As eDiT mentioned, we are NOT giving up on LVDM.
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People here are so fucking stupid. They keep saying the SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Nobody reads, nobody listens.... this is why this community is dying....
We're going to do what we think is best instead of having our ideas shot down repeatedly, what's the point of asking for your guys input anymore....
I am so done with listening to everyone's wonderful "2 cents". Topic closed & locked.