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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: Jayce on November 25, 2016, 10:56:45 AM

Title: Lagshot Event
Post by: Jayce on November 25, 2016, 10:56:45 AM: Hi,

I was thinking about changing our beloved SA-MP server to lagshot every weekend or so, I see that many players liked it when it was changed once to lagshoot in weekend (some players didn't like it though) but however, many players would actually enjoy it. I've created the above vote so you can give your vote about this matter, but before doing so, read this:

Pros:

Many regulars will come in-game to get their lagshotting memories back.
There won't be sync bugs like skinhit.
Aim cheats won't be working thus you are sure that who killed you is a human.
It's just for the weekend, so it's like an event.
It's fun indeed.

Cons:

It's kinda illogical to shoot the air (but it's fun)
New players won't like it so much (I'm new but I do like it)

That's the TL;DR of lagshot pros/cons, I'm sure many other players would like to see this, also please if you want to say your opinion, go ahead but please don't be aggressive towards other because of their opinion.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: SultanSaleem on November 25, 2016, 10:59:00 AM: +1
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: EnzoMortelli on November 25, 2016, 11:02:47 AM: technically yes, but not every weekend. We'll do this as a regular event, but probably like once a month at most or less.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Myle on November 25, 2016, 11:04:25 AM: I wouldn't even mind if it gets permanent.
+1
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Puranjay on November 25, 2016, 11:05:32 AM: Sounds cool!
+1
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Runey on November 25, 2016, 11:08:50 AM: Quote from: Myle on November 25, 2016, 11:04:25 AM
I wouldn't even mind if it gets permanent.
+1

Bring the action in! IT'S LAGGING TIME! speaking for other people
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: MeltdowN on November 25, 2016, 11:58:02 AM: (https://littlewhiteys.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.memes.com%2Fmeme%2F828902&hash=1711fdecd7c6f0bd61f0eaf33d3b152f55be1278)
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: =_Captain_= on November 25, 2016, 12:02:07 PM: I personally like lagshoot but i have to tell that many players in LW (at weekends) are new players (including jayce) not everyone of them will like lagshoot. Some new players only plays more at weekends so they might leave /q the server and find a skin hit server (great way to push their attention to a another server ) also some old players put attention to this server but i see more negative side of this so -1

Right now server player count rising slowly so let it be, don't expect it to get high player count in weeks or few months, it will get high player count in right time but if this keep changing no one would like to play here that much.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: ItsShockWave on November 25, 2016, 12:11:51 PM: Good jayce nice idea
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: [JOKER]Zaibatsu on November 25, 2016, 12:20:24 PM: seeing most of the active players are from asia, i have no interest of fighting in a lagshot server where i have to aim to san fierro to hit a 300 pinger...
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Kibo on November 25, 2016, 12:26:23 PM: Not
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: H3RO on November 25, 2016, 12:44:25 PM: Why are people so obsessed with lagshot? LW is not a lagshot server, it's a skinhit one. Go to lagshot servers like <censored IP address> if you want to play that way. There's no need to switch LW to lagshot just because a few "oldies" who play once every month like it, I think it's what those who spend 2 hours daily on the server want what matters. Just when things are about to get better, as LW playercount is somehow increasing, you want to fuck things up again. Sigh
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Spetsnaz on November 25, 2016, 01:31:39 PM: Quote from: [JOKER]Zaibatsu on November 25, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
i have no interest of fighting in a lagshot server where i have to aim to san fierro to hit a 300 pinger...
Rofl
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Jayce on November 25, 2016, 02:33:13 PM: Quote from: Garunix on November 25, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
Why are people so obsessed with lagshot? LW is not a lagshot server, it's a skinhit one. Go to lagshot servers like <censored IP address> if you want to play that way. There's no need to switch LW to lagshot just because a few "oldies" who play once every month like it, I think it's what those who spend 2 hours daily on the server want what matters. Just when things are about to get better, as LW playercount is somehow increasing, you want to fuck things up again. Sigh

I appreciate your opinion, but I didn't get the point, yeah I know LW is a skinhit server but some players would like to try lagshot with LW duel system and players. It's gonna be something like an event, changing the server on a weekend to leadaim once every month won't cause any harm afaik.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: PuBerZz on November 25, 2016, 02:40:16 PM: Skinhit is the worst.
I could write a massive post/rant about why its the worst and bad for deathmatch but judging from the votes it doesn't matter what i say. The newer noobs(and zai) on this server just want the easy way to play even though its ruined by aimbotters and nonstop cheating accusations. Myself and other admins have to waste our time checking all these aimbot reports. Its annoying and its created a shit atmosphere ingame. All of it could easily be avoided with lagshot but people don't like change or a challenge.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: LukaZ on November 25, 2016, 03:49:27 PM: Quote from: PuBerZz on November 25, 2016, 02:40:16 PM
Skinhit is the worst.
I could write a massive post/rant about why its the worst and bad for deathmatch but judging from the votes it doesn't matter what i say. The newer noobs(and zai) on this server just want the easy way to play even though its ruined by aimbotters and nonstop cheating accusations. Myself and other admins have to waste our time checking all these aimbot reports. Its annoying and its created a shit atmosphere ingame. All of it could easily be avoided with lagshot but people don't like change or a challenge.
I agree with Puberzz.

Like a player ,i play 2 years in lagshoot, ofcourse yes.
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: [JOKER]Zaibatsu on November 25, 2016, 04:03:59 PM: Quote from: PuBerZz on November 25, 2016, 02:40:16 PM
Skinhit is the worst.
I could write a massive post/rant about why its the worst and bad for deathmatch but judging from the votes it doesn't matter what i say. The newer noobs(and zai) on this server just want the easy way to play even though its ruined by aimbotters and nonstop cheating accusations. Myself and other admins have to waste our time checking all these aimbot reports. Its annoying and its created a shit atmosphere ingame. All of it could easily be avoided with lagshot but people don't like change or a challenge.

XD thanks for mentioning me lol

Anyway i wont turn this into a flamewar, everyone have their own opinion :)
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Kimochi on November 25, 2016, 04:50:55 PM: agree bring lagshot back is the shit 8)
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Veyron on November 25, 2016, 05:17:41 PM: the past lagshot weekend I noticed so many players having fun (including me) so its +1 for me
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Quickplay on November 25, 2016, 06:25:44 PM: ugh again the debate lagshot vs skinhit :-\
i guess you know what i think about lagshot, after i wrote it in every topic about this same matter over and over, so i won't bother repeating myself...
in short i don't find funny shooting to thin air (neither newbies do, i suppose) so i vote for skinhit

edit: if this is something to turn on sometimes as an event like Enzo said though, nothing in contrary
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Myle on November 25, 2016, 06:45:54 PM: Quote from: Quickplay on November 25, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
edit: if this is something to turn on sometimes as an event like Enzo said though, nothing in contrary

Actually,this is the main idea.It's not a topic about turning server into Lagshot or Skinhit forever.It's about rather a event of Lagshot should be hosted every once in a month or so.And honestly,I don't see any major cons in that,since it will only be on for 12-24 hours.

So please,read the post thoroughly before posting and mostly before voting.(intended to all)
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: [RF]BaTDeViL on November 25, 2016, 07:11:14 PM: Many voted without actually understanding the real idea of what Jayce introduced. This was never about changing the server from skinhit to lagshot permanently ( though I wish ) It was just to add another event into the lists of events & that oldies+newbies can become participants and play together. This is not in favour of oldies or against newbies. Just an event !

Note : my opinion will be to add this event without using the poll system as this is not a major change and basically wont affect anyone playing in this server. I love events & wish if there were 2 or more Aryans ::) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Quickplay on November 25, 2016, 07:13:53 PM: Quote from: Myle on November 25, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: Quickplay on November 25, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
edit: if this is something to turn on sometimes as an event like Enzo said though, nothing in contrary

Actually,this is the main idea.It's not a topic about turning server into Lagshot or Skinhit forever.It's about rather a event of Lagshot should be hosted every once in a month or so.And honestly,I don't see any major cons in that,since it will only be on for 12-24 hours.

So please,read the post thoroughly before posting and mostly before voting.
yeah i might have sounded like i've mistaken this for a permanent suggestion, but i said that because i noticed that it was kinda turning once again in the same old debate.
Plus i don't like the idea to switch to lagshot every week as suggested (not once in a month), therefore i voted no, but if it's once in a while then it's already different
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: H3RO on November 25, 2016, 07:38:00 PM: Quote from: [RF]BaTDeViL on November 25, 2016, 07:11:14 PM
Note : my opinion will be to add this event without using the poll system as this is not a major change and basically wont affect anyone playing in this server. I love events & wish if there were 2 or more Aryans ::) ;) ;)
I will be the first one affected by it as I won't play the day it happens, and judging by the poll, which seems to be 50/50, half of the server will probably be affected and do just like I will.
I honestly don't see any reason to still argue about lagshot being applied to LWs, either as an event or for a short period of time, as many debates and old experiences have already proven that lagshot can only harm the server.
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: BiG_Sm0k3 on November 25, 2016, 09:07:44 PM: +1 for lagshot... thats the real sa-mp..
Title: Re: Lagshot
Post by: Progaming on November 25, 2016, 10:29:01 PM: Quote from: [JOKER]Zaibatsu on November 25, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
seeing most of the active players are from asia, i have no interest of fighting in a lagshot server where i have to aim to san fierro to hit a 300 pinger...

Hey that offended me !

Anyways +1

I would try to develope lagshoot skills

-1 if it is applied EVERY weekend
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: Jibin on November 25, 2016, 10:49:10 PM: Even tho i could write a big post about why it should not be done in a server like LW, i'm not gonna waste my time. :P
But i just dont know why some admins are so lazy to check reports and ban when needed without making mistake, yo dude you choose this job you can always quit if "Its annoying and it creates a shit atmosphere ingame" for you.
Yes people do like "changes or challenges", thats why SA-MP community decided to make "skinhit" 2 years ago instead of just going with same old shit.

To all who support lagshot and for maker of this Thread:- Im not against lagshot but unfortunately you have to admit the fact that, its played by the old generation and bringing something 2 years old will only make conflicts among our self (Even its for a week or for eternity)

-1
This is just my opinion as everyone have their own opinion(s)
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: Aryan on November 26, 2016, 12:47:43 AM: Personally, I'll leave it as it is. Everytime whenever someone took initiative of the change, and weeks later, people who supported the change are nowhere to be seen and I only find new people or regulars who don't browse forums complaining about the change. Half of the server was complaining when lagshot was switched just for 2 days. We discussed this thousands of time and every time outcome is NIL.

Whereas, I have to agree about pros of lagshot, but skinhit is way more adaptive for new people, who joined recently in 2016/15.

I'm not into skinshot or lagshot, I'll just go with the change where the majority of regulars want to. :)
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: MeltdowN on November 26, 2016, 03:25:30 AM: Quote from: Aryan on November 26, 2016, 12:47:43 AM
Personally, I'll leave it as it is. Everytime whenever someone took initiative of the change, and weeks later, people who supported the change are nowhere to be seen.

Thanks Aryan, exactly my opinion! I will also add my touch :the newbies who never ever fight ::) and are fully endorsing lagshot please get the fuck out! I've said it when the previous poll was made and repeat it: you are not concerned, please do not ruin it for actual dmers...I am serious, it doesn't make you look cool so just mind your 24/7 free roaming.

As for Puberzz's argument which is the only one I ever see in favour of lagshot I'd say, the point is lagshot makes no fuckin sense. It is not a question of harder or easier, this is not skyrim. Why would you ever choose shooting air rather than actual characters? Habit? Well get over it, new players HERE aren't used to it and as far as I know there are more new players than old ones so it goes without saying which choice we should stick with.

Finally, the event excuse people have taken a liken to since they can't turn the server upside-down anymore is just plain stupid with all due respect. If it only took that to bring back old ''regulars'' then all servers would've stuck with legacy mode. The community is what, primarily matters not the lagshot/skinshot thing. People leave cause they have better things to worry about and cause they loose interest over time.

Another long-term way to look at it:FFS, for instance, is a lagshoot server with a community made up of a majority of players who started in 2015 (majority<--understatement old players there are at the most 7 but I obviously don't have exact statistics) and they like it and prefer it. On the other hand, compared to littlewhitey's, LVP has a lot more old players who still follow the community closely and even play on a time to time basis but I don't see them bitching about lagshoot every other month. Just today, I met a certain Stickman who started SA-MP in 06 (he told me some funny stories about littlewhiteys lol) and just came back a few days ago for the lulz, not once did he mention anything about lagshoot or, according to the mighty old players, ''how SA-MP degraded'' (bless him). He just kept on dying until he got the hang of fighting again.

Point being, there is absolutely no correlation (at the best a very weak effect) between lagshoot and bringing back old players. This theory is ridiculous and it has been proven PRACTICALLY. In some communities, old players stick around and in others they don't, that's just the way it is. Similarly, some communities prefer legacy mode while others like this one clearly don't. Get over it!!!

Anyways, I am certain back when Freak's experiment failed and DAMAGED OUR PLAYERS' COUNT (we used to, daily, get over 40 players before the experiment was made),the management then promised there would never be any mention of bringing back lagshoot to the server again. Do you guys enjoy the never-ending arguments on this matter cause I am starting to feel this kind of topics is becoming a pain in the ass. When did this ever become a regular turn on/turn off option????!!
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: Negative on November 26, 2016, 08:07:13 AM: majority voted no, lock this already
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: [JOKER]Zaibatsu on November 26, 2016, 08:11:11 AM: @melt - tldr

@topic - even if its meant to be an event, once a month sounds way too often to me
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: BoSS on November 26, 2016, 08:56:55 AM: +1
Title: Re: Lagshot Event
Post by: Runey on November 26, 2016, 09:34:22 AM: You guys have made valid points and statements, but i'll still favor the old system of shooting - leadaim, for many different reasons which i'll keep for myself now. Let me tell you one thing though; you can't change your opinion completely about something if you didn't get to try it fully previously, and all the times we did this in the past, was only for a day or 2. However, since the public wouldn't be satisfied and would be most likely forced to leave (speaking for majority), we're ending our conversation here, because it had been discussed alot of times before and didn't leave good results. My word is not superiour than anyone else's here.

Thanks everyone for your contribution to the topic and for letting us know what you personally think of this idea, i'm locking this now seeing that it's going where it shouldn't be. Any admin can unlock this if he wants to clarify or add anything to it.