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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: Kimochi on March 27, 2017, 03:27:58 AM
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Some regulars like me for example, Are busy with lifes like exams,
others may find a new server to play with,
lose interest to play samp
and play newer games like GTA V
Its sad to see such an amazing server dying :C
Edit: But the charts should go up on the end of examinations!
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Some regulars like me for example, Are busy with lifes like exams
Lifes like exams :o ;D
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Ya I've never seen the server as empty as nowadays
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Zai left -> haters stopped joining with their big groups 8)
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Busy
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The sever just dying :-\
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zai left because 'haters' stopped coming ::)
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Zai r/q-ed, server empty
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It is that time of the year again...
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Just wait till. April. Guys. This time too, shall PASS
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The current situation is being worked on, and what you can do despite playercount being low is join the server, call whoever you want/know or you'd like to hang out with ingame and compete with others. I'm pretty sure the rest will follow, and you might end up filling lw's a little bit.
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The current situation is being worked on, and what you can do despite playercount being low is join the server, call whoever you want/know or you'd like to hang out with ingame and compete with others. I'm pretty sure the rest will follow, and you might end up filling lw's a little bit.
This is actually a fair step.Although,it's "that time of the year" and everyone is busy with exams and such.But if you want to play on LW and want to keep it alive,just join the game in your free time.Others might join seeing you.
You don't join,cause you don't see any regulars name,and others don't join cause they don't see your name.
Just join and enjoy the game without worrying it's dead and everything will come back to normal again.And with this,you will be helping LW to become lively again without even trying.
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The current situation is being worked on, and what you can do despite playercount being low is join the server, call whoever you want/know or you'd like to hang out with ingame and compete with others. I'm pretty sure the rest will follow, and you might end up filling lw's a little bit.
Thats what i was doing ;)
Lots of ppl joined with groups to fight me... Usually all left when other JOKERs joined tho (except meltdown, that guy never stopped, respect)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4)
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The current situation is being worked on, and what you can do despite playercount being low is join the server, call whoever you want/know or you'd like to hang out with ingame and compete with others. I'm pretty sure the rest will follow, and you might end up filling lw's a little bit.
Thats what i was doing ;)
Lots of ppl joined with groups to fight me... Usually all left when other JOKERs joined tho (except meltdown, that guy never stopped, respect)
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When Zai gives you a seal of approval treasure it!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4)
lw's player Nomad_outlander says: "We are honored to have fought a war against your people".
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some players, including me, just moved to other server due to the 2017 staff team changes. I personally don't feel like investing as much effort into the server anymore.
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Busy studyin also players stopped playin cuz they realized that samp will get them to nowhere
i'd be surprised if this game actually survive for a year or two :'(
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i'd be surprised if this game actually survive for a year or two :'(
People ask themselves this question since 2009. So chill out.
But imo the lw samp server wont survive with this group of players administrating it.
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It survived far worse administration already.
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I mean, I check the forums at least three times per week. I just never play, because there's never anybody online to hang out with. I believe most regulars are in the same boat. I feel like the only way to revive this server is with monthly reunions, or events. Something we can count on pulling a large player count.
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But imo the lw samp server wont survive with this group of players administrating it.
::) ::)
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I mean, I check the forums at least three times per week. I just never play, because there's never anybody online to hang out with. I believe most regulars are in the same boat. I feel like the only way to revive this server is with monthly reunions, or events. Something we can count on pulling a large player count.
So just be the first one to join and others will see someone online and will follow u?
Ive joined empty server several times and was never left alone ;)
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i'd be surprised if this game actually survive for a year or two :'(
People ask themselves this question since 2009. So chill out.
But imo the lw samp server wont survive with this group of players administrating it.
lol i see some things never change
this server survived with players like Gryphus and some of his mates...so no problem
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im also still around, lows.....
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I've never expected anything less from a player such as you, Qwer. You may critisize the current staff team, you may say whatever you want, but without proper argumentation from this state on your points are invalid. Of course with that kind of negativity being spread through this community we'd never be able to achieve anything. I'm not only talking about LW, but generally, life works that way either and if people did nothing but kept throwing shit at others and been hopeless, world wouldn't function at all. We've survived far worse situations in the past, and nobody in their right mind would believe that Littlewhitey's has been alive for 10 years now. This server was presented by many generations of administrators and managers and i believe each and every one of them tried their best to keep this place together. Their intention was to save this place from absolute disaster, and the easiest thing we can do is give up on everything right now. Let's be fair though, we can't expect to have a Littlewhitey's with 150+ players playing daily anymore, but our goal is to at least have some population on the server even in the uncovered timezones; always having some players on and never leaving server empty.
I've posted a pretty simple suggestion already, and Zaibatsu has made it clear too; join the server whenever you can and the rest will follow. I don't think this will change the playercount drastically, although it's worth trying because the more people enter LW, the more action there will be. Wars, conversations, battles and constant fighting and competition between people. It's pure spirit of Littlewhitey's we're talking about here, we do not need anything special or anything in particular that would change current situation. Miracles are not required and are not what we're looking for. All we need is audience.
People make the greatest part of our server, they are essential for Littlewhitey's survival and therefore i'll repeat myself as much as it takes for you to get it. Join the server, call your friends, enjoy the features and options it leaves and compete.
The final decision i leave to you, it's up to people whether they'll accept it or decline it and abandon the server completely.
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I agree with Qwerbeet. Nobody cares about LW's because staff doesn't even care. Don't expect people to come play in this server when they have plenty more options to choose from. This 'you just have to join and others follow' attitude is the exact problem why nobody joins. A piece of shit doesn't evolve into a diamond just by wishing hard enough. Other servers do have high playercount because they work hard to maintain the server. And yet this server tries to compete with servers that are in a whole different league.
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But imo the lw samp server wont survive with this group of players administrating it.
Nobody cares about LW's because staff doesn't even care.
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Jokes aside,We appreciate all of your honest opinions on the matter,but let's just not jump into conclusions about others caring or not.What we tried to say by asking to join is that,LW has been a pretty plain server with less features all the time.It's just the people joining and having fun with the few features.
What you need for nam fight? Nothing. What you need to roam around and having a good chat? Nothing. What you need for a gang fight? Nothing,but just you guys.
So,if you want a good time in LWs,just join and others will follow you one day or another.
Anyway,we are hoping to give you some good news and results in the near future.Stay tuned.
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I agree with Qwerbeet. Nobody cares about LW's because staff doesn't even care.
I don't even know who you are but I just had to agree with this. This is the exact reason why the server is in this condition. Even though this thing is slightly changing now, I believe it is too late.
And Myle, you misunderstood it. We are not looking for new commands and features, that is something we will ask for after you guys start caring about at least playing on the server and banning all the cheaters. I am not talking about you, cause if there is someone doing something about the server, that someone is you (and Runey), as the rest are in deep sleep. If someone asks you how many admins there are in LWs, tell them two. :-\
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Have to disagree with sonic and masterbeef - whenever an admin is online, he does everything he should be doing - reacting to reports, helping players etc.
Just because there are not much active admins atm, doesnt mean the staff team doesnt care. Ppl even get banned on forums when admins cant join ingame (rip jibin)
By your logic every person that has given admin status here, should quit their jobs irl and administrate the server
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Nah nope. Please don't start with the famous quote "admins have a life too blablabla"
Did they not have a life when there used to be an admin online at any time? That's just lame excuses. However, it's your opinion so I respect it.
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By your logic every person that has given admin status here, should quit their jobs irl and administrate the server
Nah nope. Please don't start with the famous quote "admins have a life too blablabla"
Did they not have a life when there used to be an admin online at any time?
Proves my point ;D
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And here again are the people who think they know how things work yet never do anything actual useful towards it.
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Excuse me, are you talking about yourself Enzo? Because I'm doing my part as a player. Joining the server from time to time and criticizing what I believe should be different for the good of the server.
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Should you think playing on a server and ranting on the forums about matters you find lacking is helping in running a game server - then actually i was talking about you.
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Ok. Now tell me what you are doing to improve the situation. I'm very curious to know how worried you are and how you are trying to fix it :)
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i never cared about status or anything but today i felt the need to be admin for the first time, we were 11 players and then a cheater came and everyone left (just like every time). not gonna brown nose my way to the staff like most do because unlike them i have some self esteem but it feels like a huge waste to ditch players in such a way when we are in a serious need right now. if you cant make new scripts at least start replacing those skeletons in the team with people who are still here? dont know, just an idea...
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Lets be real here LW got the best admins without a doubt. One admin used to watch over 20 players reporting each other during the fight, i've never seen someone getting banned unfairly not even mute. I've insulted almost every admin\player here and got banned one time only even tho i know i was going off the limit but they still gave me time to stop. While in different servers you get permanently muted or banned for saying "fuck you" lmao. The server is dying not because of admin abusing or some shit, its because admins are doing their job by banning cheaters if the admins actually unban the cheaters after short amount of time (like LVP does) server might live temporarily but they'll eventually get banned again so whats the point. Admins might go inactive because they have something called LIFE if you dont have it buy one from here http://activities.aliexpress.com/ (http://activities.aliexpress.com/)
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Ok. Now tell me what you are doing to improve the situation. I'm very curious to know how worried you are and how you are trying to fix it :)
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not worried anymore.
Your question comes a little late, but just to give you an impression of what is going on behind the scenes i'll go back in time a little:
In my time, i was so worrying about LWs that i neglected my study courses and failed my bachelor's degree after four and a half years of putting more time into this server than into actual real things i should have put time in.
Initiatives i had started during to service the server included: Several event formats including the LWW (which is indeed life-threatening to the host, most players never imagine), in collaboration with Bikerr and Quickplay: the Guardians; the Stunt Van which blewert helped adding, an internal rewrite of administration guidelines under eDit's management, resolving management drought in 2016 for and with Aryan, the internal TLWB server development initiative which ultimately discontinued due to me retiring, and most important banning Huracan forever, aswell as other minor things i already forgot about. (And all that is literally not about 20% of what other admins/mods/devs/managers did for the server)
All of this doesn't matter anyhow though because people tend to easily forget these are not the main driving forces of running a decent server, but an actual solid administration work (of which most players never see much) is the basis for success: Keeping cheaters and rule breakers away from the game, keeping order up, process reports in a timely manner, keeping order in the forums, taking part in discussions and decisions regarding staff, development and maintenance. Although many of the processes stay covered from the public eyes, i did enough to have it noticed by the majority of players in 2012 and 2013 (hover over the broken image to the left).
I was serving this server for six years, and i've been seeing the exact same points comming up every few months again and again over, all of them consisting of lack in information and insight, panicking, ignorance and ulterior motives. And on all of these occasions, never did any of these cry-outs ever trigger any favourable changes to the server, if not rather just rash decisions that were revised and corrected again after the fuss receded.
If you really want admins to care - don't make them feel like you don't care that they care.
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Admins are like ghosts.
U cant see them working, spectating, observing.
But they actually do. Just cause u guys cant see them doing it. Doesnt mean they arent there.
Ofc everyone has different point of view but insulting or using harsh words wont do much good.
Just try to contribute as much as possible because its better than complaining. 8)
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at least start replacing those skeletons in the team with people who are still here? dont know, just an idea...
couldn't agree more
And Enzo, I didn't ask what have you done for the server, I asked what you are currently doing for it. If you are no longer an admin, and as a player you believe you can't do anything to help, then at least let the others try, as they still have faith they can change something.
If you really want admins to care - don't make them feel like you don't care that they care.
the thing is that they stopped caring long ago, unless they started caring last few days again and I don't know yet
Peace
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Sonic where do you get this opinion that admins dont care?
Whenever an admin is online, he does great job imo.
Or do u really think that if an admin hasnt joined the server for 3 days for example, that means he doesnt care?
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lack in information and insight, panicking, ignorance and ulterior motives.
fixed.
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Just a clarification. When I said staff I meant everyone who is in management. I'm not blaming anyone who isn't in the position to make decisions about the server. Also, times have changed. The things I liked 10 years ago have made place for different things. The bottomline is, if you don't know what your players want/like you're not able to stay relevant. Anyone who ever made a game (or even tried) knows how hard it is to get people to play your game, and even harder to keep them playing it. If you are lucky enough to have somewhat of a community, you should listen to it or just wait till the last person turns off the light.
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not worried anymore.
and you still have to post something just to try to look smart :-X *facepalm*
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Will this ever end?
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Well back on topic: today i joined the server when it had just 4 players. About 20min later the playercount was 19.
Just join and others will too ;)
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Haunter i like the vehicle system :D
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Just join and others will too ;)
This.
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I see two points being discussed here.
Management
Since 2006, I've seen many administrative bodies behind the wheel of this server, and I've grown quite friendly with the vast majority of them. This server has had a tremendous journey - it's light years beyond whence it came. Consider this: You play this game for free, and [between you and me] probably downloaded San Andreas for free. Donators [such as myself] likely donated the minimum dollar amount to reap the exclusive content that the staff created for you. Yet, we still feel entitled? I've seen worse management in actual video games with a fleet of I.T personnel administrating them. The kids running this server are doing a significantly better job than adults getting paid full-time salaries to run similar games, and everyone needs to take a moment to recognize that. The programmers and event coordinators have done an absolutely brilliant job. They built a platform upon which I built several childhood memories that I'll end up dying with. Honestly, could you spare the time to do a better job than them? Would you spend six hours per day focusing on improving a communityless-server in a game that's well-beyond a decade old? No? Okay, me either.
Player count
You have to remember that this game was created over a decade ago, and has two newer, more-relevant titles. I played SA-MP like a madman during my high school and college breaks. What happened? Well, newer games came out. Familiar faces in SA-MP stopped returning. Responsibilities began piling up. Our player count is completely reasonable, and is a reflection of how old this video game is - NOT a reflection of poor administration. Most of us are old - we played GTA: SA when it was brand new, so it's somewhat of a nostalgia trip. Introduce SA-MP to a 16 year old, an he'd be bored to death. The community isn't going to grow - at least, not in first-world countries where better games are common. So, we need to return to the server. Does everyone have time for that? I really don't have time to play every day. However, if I received a monthly newsletter with a title of "LW's Monthly Reunion: RWW Tournament & AASA Cruise", I'd take the day off work to be there. So, in my opinion, the answer isn't getting the player counts back up every day. The answer is getting large spurts of activity, and then go back to nothing for the rest of the month. Eventually, people would count on there being a monthly tournament of some sort, and would join the server to practice ahead of time. This is what'll bring up the player count.
Anyways... That's all! Thanks!
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I see two points being discussed here.
Management
Since 2006, I've seen many administrative bodies behind the wheel of this server, and I've grown quite friendly with the vast majority of them. This server has had a tremendous journey - it's light years beyond whence it came. Consider this: You play this game for free, and [between you and me] probably downloaded San Andreas for free. Donators [such as myself] likely donated the minimum dollar amount to reap the exclusive content that the staff created for you. Yet, we still feel entitled? I've seen worse management in actual video games with a fleet of I.T personnel administrating them. The kids running this server are doing a significantly better job than adults getting paid full-time salaries to run similar games, and everyone needs to take a moment to recognize that. The programmers and event coordinators have done an absolutely brilliant job. They built a platform upon which I built several childhood memories that I'll end up dying with. Honestly, could you spare the time to do a better job than them? Would you spend six hours per day focusing on improving a communityless-server in a game that's well-beyond a decade old? No? Okay, me either.
Player count
You have to remember that this game was created over a decade ago, and has two newer, more-relevant titles. I played SA-MP like a madman during my high school and college breaks. What happened? Well, newer games came out. Familiar faces in SA-MP stopped returning. Responsibilities began piling up. Our player count is completely reasonable, and is a reflection of how old this video game is - NOT a reflection of poor administration. Most of us are old - we played GTA: SA when it was brand new, so it's somewhat of a nostalgia trip. Introduce SA-MP to a 16 year old, an he'd be bored to death. The community isn't going to grow - at least, not in first-world countries where better games are common. So, we need to return to the server. Does everyone have time for that? I really don't have time to play every day. However, if I received a monthly newsletter with a title of "LW's Monthly Reunion: RWW Tournament & AASA Cruise", I'd take the day off work to be there. So, in my opinion, the answer isn't getting the player counts back up every day. The answer is getting large spurts of activity, and then go back to nothing for the rest of the month. Eventually, people would count on there being a monthly tournament of some sort, and would join the server to practice ahead of time. This is what'll bring up the player count.
Anyways... That's all! Thanks!
On point!
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Since some posts here are blaming administrators and/or mixing up roles to a noticeable extent, I left a message on V's forum to try to explain what's happening (on V's forum because I want to have control over its visibility).
I did it out of respect for all the times my staff mates spent/are spending here, and to clarify my situation. Remember that I'm clarifying my situation at this point because I want to do it, not because I'm required to do it.
It might not be the news you're expecting to read, and I've been trying to avoid it for a while. It's needed at this point, because it keeps the most functional part of this server in the spotlight it deserves.
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Though different people are pointing at different points in here,but still this was somewhat helpful to know how you guys are feeling and your opinions also helped abit to point out the reasons and directions.After Jojo's statement there's nothing much to say here actually.But just so you know,there's more going inside which is not entirely showing out.
I can't really promise or even say that I will try to be active more,because I also don't know if I can.It's actually pretty obvious that I was nearly 24/7 active last year,which I am not atm. Just to clarify,I had taken leave from college last year and received teachers help personally for my exams because of some physical sickness,the reason that kept me at home,playing and not minding much business IRL.Which is not the same case this year. Just saying cause I felt like sharing with you guys.I am not ditching this place.I will be here as much as I can as this community is also a part of my "life".
And just to hold a reminder,
The "Retiree" badge is not simply given and is earned by the badge owners.Their contribution is the backbone of this community,the reason it's still running and got you guys criticizing here and reading the posts for hours.The reason you guys are here posting but not leaving this place at one point by saying "it's dead anyways".
These people are still recognized,respected and honoured thorough the community.Just as behaving and respecting with an active staff is considered,we also look forward to keep our actions civilized towards these people.Not saying it's a warning for any of you,but a precaution.
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some players, including me, just moved to other server due to the 2017 staff team changes. I personally don't feel like investing as much effort into the server anymore.
some players, including me, hoped this would have happened 7 years earlier. I personally don't feel like investing as much effort into a server where you are active.
enkei's post is on point, indeed. But isn't all of that logical and should go absolutely without saying? Who in their right mind would seriously blame the staff or anybody in particular for the situation?
LW was doomed when they filled the Official Tab with 350 fucking servers, 90% of which are RP. With direct aim being a thing now DM is just completely dead. LW is a server that, apart from the listing in the "Hosted" tab, by nature only works well if there are at least 50+ people online with new players *cough* cannon fodder *cough* joining every day. Everything else is slowly killing it. If it wasn't for some stubborn regulars and even more stubborn staff members, this server would have long been gone.
The only hope I see for LW to ever be great again is if they were to bring back the "Official" Tab in the SAMP Launcher with LW being one of a few servers listed there.
Just check out these numbers:
There are 358 servers in the "Internet" tab
There are 345 servers in the "Hosted" tab
So basically it's 13 servers that are not listed in the "Hosted" tab, lol.
These numbers have pretty much been the opposite when LW was big (hundreds of serveres in "Internet" tab, of which maybe 13 were listed as "Official")
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There are 345 servers in the "Hosted" tab
Also most of the players looking for servers sorts the hosted tab list according to servers' players count, so a server like littlewhitey's, would probably appear after scrolling through a hundred server, or even more.
Some points that might explain why the server's empty is those regulars who join with one intention which is killing the newbies until they quit the server, the server is always laggy, causes a horrible experience for deathmatching, the "deathmatch" type in SA-MP is dead, it can't be a major feature of a server anymore, most of the players are on these crowded servers, the players count is always under 10, if not under 5, SA-MP is becoming an outdated mod, wasn't updated for more than 3 years, there are other servers that has a decent player count and has "sick" features.
I maybe have forgotten some points, but definitely staff isn't one of them, if you think so, I advice you to join even the most popular servers (UIF or GamerX for example) and see how much cheaters are playing daily in there. I also would like to point out that, the whole "staff doesn't care" argument isn't even valid due to the lack of proof, even if there isn't staff ingame and there's cheaters, that doesn't mean nor proof that they don't care.
If you really want to make a change or help the server, you definitely should say all your opinions very clearly, but make sure to keep it civil, and you should start playing on the server regularly if you have time to, regardless of the player count. Blaming other for the current situation won't solve anything rather than making it worse.
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I have seen posts like this before, like:
Admin Inactivity: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25541.0.html, (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25541.0.html,) http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,23150.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,23150.0.html)
We missed LW birthday: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25215.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25215.0.html)
LW 2/100: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25215.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,25215.0.html)
And there are much more.
so you aren't the first one to complain about this. All the following threads were made to criticize the LW system, I agree with you that the admins are inactive, but where am I? do you see me in the game? I am a normal player and I didn't join for a long time. you know why? because I have studied, I have life which by it, I would build a career, get a home, build a family and do what my ancestors did.. so does the admins, they are humans and not robots under your command, to do what you say, nope.
They were chosen to serve the server, to help it and rebuild it, but they didn't sign on contracts that said they would give their lives away for a game, amirite?! so now you are wondering which side I am on, no side at all, but throwing that negative threads in here, hate posts and fighting each other will
surely destroy the community that took years to build, if that what you came to do then you are doing a great job!
but if you really wish to do a good thing to this community, there are several things to do, like inviting your friends, making competitions in the server, there is much to do if you really seek for it, for helping the community, making it great again(;p).. so please.. please get over the "give me admin to make it better" or "demote inactive admins" because that would not do anything
"There are always flowers for those who want to see them"
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As for the final summation, i'd like to say that critisizing other's work without valid arguments is never appreciated, saying staff doesn't care is equal to childish arguments whereas a kid tries to convince an adult that it's right to swear and use foul language which he might've overheard from people on the street. Some players have stated why this situation has gotten so bad, so it's pointless repeating the same thing over and over again. If you want to improve the general experience in this place, perhaps you should start suggesting new things, open up discussions and play on the server more often despite playercount usually being low, exactly because nobody thinks it's fun to play alone or boring. Call your friends, invite more people and while you're at it, consider joining yourself and who knows what might be waiting for you. Seeing familiar faces is what usually makes people join in.
I'm certain that we'll succeed, if we try harder.