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VC-MP Server - 51.38.93.130:8192 => General Discussion => Discussion Archive => Topic started by: realdogge on June 13, 2017, 02:37:08 PM
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Hello there guys! 8)
i would like to suggest one thing, so it is forbidden to kill players who participate in events.
in samp, for example, when u try to kill somebody who is in an event, it says no killing during events and i know why they have such rule, cause it makes events more pleasurable.
i mean, creating obstacles and other things, which will make a race, for instanse, more diffucult, i am all for it, but killing should be really restricted.
when players try to kill racers before a race started admins are allowed to drown, kick or even ban them for disturbing an event. why it should be forbidden to disturb before an event starts and allowed during an event? it kinda makes no sense.
it would be really fair if players who ruin events get banned, cause everybody wants to have a joyful, fair race or any other event.
p4t said, that he can't cover all the map to keep a situation under his control, i agree with him, nobody can, but if there would be a rule, which forbids killing during events, people can report it and provide some proof. and with time, people won't disturb events , cause they would know that a punishment will come. ban for 1 week will make people think twice before doing this.
nobody would want to ruin 1 small event and get banned for 1 week, cause it is not worth to.
thanks for your attention, cheers
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sorry no
LW is not an event server
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sorry no
LW is not an event server
there are a lot of players, who play only on LW.
moreover, for example, i know a samp server, which is DM/RP/FreeRoam/Cops altogether, and still it is forbidden to kill players during evetns. so it is not an argument that LW is not an event server.
then, if u say that LW is not an event server, then why admins kick ban players who disturb events before the start? according to your statement, admins can't do anything with players who disturb. but since they do, apparently, LW is also an event server cause they do some actions towards those ruiners. Then admins should allow to kill players who are getting ready to start an event, cause it is not an event server.
it is not about what kind of a server it is, it is about EVENT, events should be off the general gameplay.
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ain't this making races more challenging
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ain't this making races more challenging
it is already challenging enough with trucks on the route, limousines, hydras and stuff.
u wait 30 min for a race cause people do everything very slow and then get killed during an event. it really pisses off, race supposed to be fun, not like this.
let races be races, not surivival quest
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ain't this making races more challenging
it is already challenging enough with trucks on the route, limousines, hydras and stuff.
u wait 30 min for a race cause people do everything very slow and then get killed during an event. it really pisses off, race supposed to be fun, not like this.
let races be races, not surivival quest
During all the races I took part in, I never really had big problems with people trying to molest me and in fact, this makes it more challenging in my pov. If you really want to not get disturbed then I think the script for it would be much handier, otherwise, it would create certain complexities when reporting. However, I still don't wanna any changes also there is quite a good racing server which is linked to the PAC system, unfortunately, it's a bit depopulated.
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ain't this making races more challenging
it is already challenging enough with trucks on the route, limousines, hydras and stuff.
u wait 30 min for a race cause people do everything very slow and then get killed during an event. it really pisses off, race supposed to be fun, not like this.
let races be races, not surivival quest
During all the races I took part in, I never really had big problems with people trying to molest me and in fact, this makes it more challenging in my pov. If you really want to not get disturbed then I think the script for it would be much handier, otherwise, it would create certain complexities when reporting. However, I still don't wanna any changes also there is quite a good racing server which is linked to the PAC system, unfortunately, it's a bit depopulated.
why then admins kick and ban people who disturb boxing day or derby, or dodge the viper and it is okay to kill during races?
wouldn't disturbs make derbies, boxing days and dodge the vipers more challenging? double standards?
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ain't this making races more challenging
it is already challenging enough with trucks on the route, limousines, hydras and stuff.
u wait 30 min for a race cause people do everything very slow and then get killed during an event. it really pisses off, race supposed to be fun, not like this.
let races be races, not surivival quest
During all the races I took part in, I never really had big problems with people trying to molest me and in fact, this makes it more challenging in my pov. If you really want to not get disturbed then I think the script for it would be much handier, otherwise, it would create certain complexities when reporting. However, I still don't wanna any changes also there is quite a good racing server which is linked to the PAC system, unfortunately, it's a bit depopulated.
why then admins kick and ban people who disturb boxing day or derby, or dodge the viper and it is okay to kill during races?
wouldn't disturbs make derbies, boxing days and dodge the vipers more challenging? double standards?
Staff members are free to set their rules for every event, it's just that like you said in races the host can't keep everything under control so it's rather easier to not have any rules regarding it at all.
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i would like to suggest one thing, so it is forbidden to kill players who participate in events.
in samp, for example, when u try to kill somebody who is in an event, it says no killing during events and i know why they have such rule,
I tottaly dis-agree with adapting this to our server, since LittleWhitey all know that it's a TDM server in the first of all, making events is something nice obviously and admins doing the events already set rules/penalties to players that disturb the (Races/LMS/etc..).
But you shouldn't add some rule during the events "No player is able to fight or use weapons" is tottaly shit to be honest. There are alot of buddies that doesn't care to participate in any events but just join the server to fight and kill others.
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i would like to suggest one thing, so it is forbidden to kill players who participate in events.
in samp, for example, when u try to kill somebody who is in an event, it says no killing during events and i know why they have such rule,
I tottaly dis-agree with adapting this to our server, since LittleWhitey all know that it's a TDM server in the first of all, making events is something nice obviously and admins doing the events already set rules/penalties to players that disturb the (Races/LMS/etc..).
But you shouldn't add some rule during the events "No player is able to fight or use weapons" is tottaly shit to be honest. There are alot of buddies that doesn't care to participate in any events but just join the server to fight and kill others.
apparently u didn't read well what i was saying. why i can't kill people during other events, and i can during races?
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well, no reply?
up then.
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Tldr
@challenging races - in samp when hosting a race you can choose wether to race with or without race protection
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realdogge, nothin will happen, never
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realdogge, nothin will happen, never
xD
why they add fucking hydras, chainsaw men, rugs and can't add one rule, which satisfies the most of the people ?:D
ain't that retarded af?:D
think about.
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realdogge, nothin will happen, never
xD
why they add fucking hydras, chainsaw men, rugs and can't add one rule, which satisfies the most of the people ?:D
ain't that retarded af?:D
think about.
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realdogge, nothin will happen, never
xD
why they add fucking hydras, chainsaw men, rugs and can't add one rule, which satisfies the most of the people ?:D
ain't that retarded af?:D
think about.
think about how much fun you'll have when you're in the 2nd position and someone blows up the player in first position
real dog bro, you need to realize that ppl tryna rape u iz make event more fun, besides, LW's a TDM server, rules like this will probably never get added to the server.
they iz add hydra cuz skimmer only water take off(unless you're *Wr*Blix) hydra iz equal land take off iz why added
real dog bro just
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think about how much fun you'll have when you're in the 2nd position and someone blows up the player in first position
real dog bro, you need to realize that ppl tryna rape u iz make event more fun, besides, LW's a TDM server, rules like this will probably never get added to the server.
they iz add hydra cuz skimmer only water take off(unless you're *Wr*Blix) hydra iz equal land take off iz why added
real dog bro just
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-04-2015/1EqHdB.gif)
it is no fun for racers, players who don't participate might find some fun elsewhere. and killing during races makes them less competitive, because race events are about handling ur car, not dodge the bullets, for example i am about to win a race cause i am the best in handling and behind me is a guy who drives worse, and i get killed and some guy who is worse than me wins, this stops being a race, it is a survival competition. why not make 2 different kinds of races? one where racers must survive during races and second where racers are forbidden to kill?
in real racing games drivers can't be killed, cause it is a racing game, game which is about racing. not surviving.
what if every race event i gather some folks, let's say 5, and we try to kill every racer? would that be fun? it is not against the rules.
u all keep talking about LW being a TDM server, okay, let it be, then why i can't kill during derbies or any other events? wouldn't that make it more FUN? it is not an event server, then why some rules apply for one kind of events and don't for another?
hydra is not an equal land off vehicle, we have dodo for a land off which is equal for skimmer.
hydra is some crazy op shit, but i don't care about it.
all we need is a fair race, where u can win by ur own efforts, not by luck.
you know, we wait 30 mins for a race to start, cause a lot of retards participate too and they simply can't do shit admin says,and then after 2 mins u get killed and u waited for nothing.
this what happened to me. i was 2nd and was about to finish 2nd, and i needed that cash which i was about to get. this is really disturbing. this is not fun at all. I'd rather stop participating and start killing racers, this is more fun tho. I am a good sniper :)) this would make more people mad and probably sooner or later this rule will be added.
p4t said that he would back me up in this concern and still no sign of him...his appreciation would make more people agree with me.
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Perhaps in this case setting a different world ID of event participants would be good solution. So that, No one would be distracted.
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The SA-MP race events prior Nightmare's race script did not (or almost never) have that rule. After the race started, shooting and killing the racers was almost always allowed. It's impossible for the admins to keep track of any racer at any given time when they run into any ruiners. Only attacks on the start were forbidden, where all the drivers were in one place.
There only were single exceptions with specific track events like togues, air/boat/underwater races or thriathlons.
With Nightmare's script there were protected races set in a virtual world, where no player was able to interfere with the race, thus there was no need for such a rule.
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Perhaps in this case setting a different world ID of event participants would be good solution. So that, No one would be distracted.
Whatever, it will be another limit to the moderators, we don't have much access to somethings, which includes the command /get, and I think the command to teleport the player to another world will be another command that moderators will not have, so is a no from my side.
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Perhaps in this case setting a different world ID of event participants would be good solution. So that, No one would be distracted.
Whatever, it will be another limit to the moderators, we don't have much access to somethings, which includes the command /get, and I think the command to teleport the player to another world will be another command that moderators will not have, so is a no from my side.
Prove that you deserve to be promoted, get noticed, get promoted. That kind of attitude you have towards your job currently isn't going to get you access to those commands you want.
As for the whole point of this topic, I think that it isn't going to happen. The events happening aren't the main purpose of this server, it was always deathmatching. It is wrong that you guys think that events are the main point and that they should get all of the attention but that's not the case.
Many players in the server just come for events, that's true, but many other players come just to deathmatch also. That pretty much concludes that both sides are equal.
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Perhaps in this case setting a different world ID of event participants would be good solution. So that, No one would be distracted.
Whatever, it will be another limit to the moderators, we don't have much access to somethings, which includes the command /get, and I think the command to teleport the player to another world will be another command that moderators will not have, so is a no from my side.
Prove that you deserve to be promoted, get noticed, get promoted. That kind of attitude you have towards your job currently isn't going to get you access to those commands you want.
As for the whole point of this topic, I think that it isn't going to happen. The events happening aren't the main purpose of this server, it was always deathmatching. It is wrong that you guys think that events are the main point and that they should get all of the attention but that's not the case.
Many players in the server just come for events, that's true, but many other players come just to deathmatch also. That pretty much concludes that both sides are equal.
i'll ask again. why i can kill players during races and can't during any other event? :)
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I just thought I'd give my input on this matter. While it is true that admins can create their own rules for their events, it's much harder to control a race because it covers a large area of the map, instead of a small rooftop where it's easy to see everything.
If you remember a few months(?) back there was that whole turmoil between juan and blix because blix was hitting juan's car during the race with his hydra. I understand it's frustrating when you get killed or trolled during an event, but as others have said this is, first and foremost, a DM server. I explained this to juan and I think we all know how that worked out.
This is also partially my fault for creating 2 races that go through Starfish island, which is pretty much a constant warzone. I'll try to be more aware of activity on Starfish and schedule my events accordingly. I'll try to come up with some new races in the future as well.
What happens now; do we put this to a vote? Or is it left up to individual admins?
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i mean, u don't let people kill participants of events, because u want to have a proper event without any casualties and so everybody can have fun, this is what events about. why not include races ? i mean, u don't have to have control of the whole map. if this is only about not being able to have control over the whole map, then why? u don't have to control the whole map, people can report and provide proofs. and this is it.
u can see what's going on on the roofs and u do actions towards disturbers, whereas when it comes to races, u don't have to do shit, all u have to do is wait for the racers to come to an exact position to finish their race :D and if somebody reports and can provide proof then what's the problem?
i feel very discriminated, cause i am good in racing and this is the only event where i can win some money is unfair. i wanna have fun, instead i wait 30 mins to a race to get started and then get wasted during a race...
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You can't effectively avert race ruining. If someone reported a race ruiner afterwards, what would be the point even? Once the report is handled the racer is long destroyed/dead. There's nothing in it for the participants except maybe satisfaction, but they still got wasted. In an local event you can often spot a disturbance and take measures to stop it before it even happens, in races you don't have a chance on doing so.
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I think i agree with this rule. But we should have the options to have a protected or normal event. The main reason why i rarely do events is that i don't like to pick up the stress that comes with setting up one.
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You can't effectively avert race ruining. If someone reported a race ruiner afterwards, what would be the point even? Once the report is handled the racer is long destroyed/dead. There's nothing in it for the participants except maybe satisfaction, but they still got wasted. In an local event you can often spot a disturbance and take measures to stop it before it even happens, in races you don't have a chance on doing so.
the point is that with time people will stop doing that, i mean killing racers, they will think twice before doing that, because otherwise they would be banned for 1 week for example :) it is not worth to kill 1 or 2 racers and be banned afterwards.
I think i agree with this rule. But we should have the options to have a protected or normal event. The main reason why i rarely do events is that i don't like to pick up the stress that comes with setting up one.
i agree with that, thx for ur opinion
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The scripters are probably not even aware of the suggestions that we have been posting, imo, it's completely useless for us to create topics like this just because it's all a moo point.
Putting this matter aside, LW's a TDM server, players have the right to kill anyone. Suggestions like this have been asked for earlier and none of those have been accepted, and it's not going to be any time soon, face it, it's the real ugly truth(took 10 minutes to type this in my phone lel)
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The scripters are probably not even aware of the suggestions that we have been posting, imo, it's completely useless for us to create topics like this just because it's all a moo point.
Putting this matter aside, LW's a TDM server, players have the right to kill anyone. Suggestions like this have been asked for earlier and none of those have been accepted, and it's not going to be any time soon, face it, it's the real ugly truth(took 10 minutes to type this in my phone lel)
so, in other words, i can ruin any event and not be banned for that?
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The scripters are probably not even aware of the suggestions that we have been posting, imo, it's completely useless for us to create topics like this just because it's all a moo point.
Putting this matter aside, LW's a TDM server, players have the right to kill anyone. Suggestions like this have been asked for earlier and none of those have been accepted, and it's not going to be any time soon, face it, it's the real ugly truth(took 10 minutes to type this in my phone lel)
so, in other words, i can ruin any event and not be banned for that?
Admins take care of retards who ruin events, by either kicking drowning or banning them in the worst situation,
so, in other words,
don't.ruin.events.
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The scripters are probably not even aware of the suggestions that we have been posting, imo, it's completely useless for us to create topics like this just because it's all a moo point.
Putting this matter aside, LW's a TDM server, players have the right to kill anyone. Suggestions like this have been asked for earlier and none of those have been accepted, and it's not going to be any time soon, face it, it's the real ugly truth(took 10 minutes to type this in my phone lel)
so, in other words, i can ruin any event and not be banned for that?
Admins take care of retards who ruin events, by either kicking drowning or banning them in the worst situation,
so, in other words,
don't.ruin.events.
man, u are losing the point of this topic :D
nothing happend when i got killed during an event cause p4t said he has no rights to do smth about the ruiner.
so, u say admins take care of retards who ruin, and on the other hand nothing was done about it.
this is completely ridiculous already
try to put yourself in my position, i get killed during a race on purpose and nothing happens, but when i say i will kill racers you say don't ruin events.
so why not make a rule out of it?
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the point is that with time people will stop doing that, i mean killing racers, they will think twice before doing that, because otherwise they would be banned for 1 week for example :) it is not worth to kill 1 or 2 racers and be banned afterwards.
They won't. You've got numerous rules which were there since the server was made and people still break them regardless if they're small or big.
You simply can not ban deathmatching on a server based on a deathmatching gamemode.
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the point is that with time people will stop doing that, i mean killing racers, they will think twice before doing that, because otherwise they would be banned for 1 week for example :) it is not worth to kill 1 or 2 racers and be banned afterwards.
They won't. You've got numerous rules which were there since the server was made and people still break them regardless if they're small or big.
You simply can not ban deathmatching on a server based on a deathmatching gamemode.
we are running in circles... then i can kill people who participate in events?
i'll give u a simple example. I was killed in a race by [DX]Adamka, i know he plays on LW a lot and this is his favorite server, if he gets banned at least once for ruining a race, he won't do it
ever again, u know what i am saying?and if every ruiner gets banned for 1 week, he will think twice before ruining again.
events are being done for fun, and if any participant gets killed on purpose by somebody else who don't participate it is no fun anymore for a participant, whereas a ruiner had his fun .
u say don't ruin events but at the same time do nothing about it. is it just a request or an order? if it is a request, i politely refuse. if this is an order, then there must be some kind of an aftermath if i refuse too. kick? alright, i'll rejoin and ruin again. drown ? i'll spawn again and will try to ruin again. ban? cool, this is what i want exactly.`
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never mind, u can lock the topic, i see only a few care about making the server more comfortable and fair place when it comes to events. keep that chaos going.
p4t game me a solution for events hosted by him and since i participate mostly in p4t's events i don't ned anything else.
peacing out 8)
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Glad that there was an agreement (sort of).
Locked per request of the topic creator.
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Sorry for unlocking the topic and give out my thoughts. It took some time to type this all, after some hours I realised the topic got locked... so it was kinda annoying that I wasted my time for this.. :-[
Such types of topics are very difficult for me to give an opinion about, that's why you won't see me reply to such topics so easily. Besides Realdogge suggestion and opinion I like the way the community responded to this topic by giving their own opinion whether the suggestion is good or not good and by explaining why it's needed or not needed. In fact, there are of course advantages and disadvantages. To be honest I would have suggested something like this before, but after playing a little longer in the server I came to know that Littlewhitey's is just a TDM(Team Deathmatch) server. Better said, events like races, derby, dodge the hydra(s) and so you can notice all sorts of events are just a staff own spare time hosting events as a hobby, therefore the staff is not required to do events. Some already stated that players only come for events and nothing else and I strongly agree with those who stated it, because this is clearly noticeable when they are spamming staff members to do an event. I know it's fun to have events, because you can challenge your friends besides TDM in something else and of course players are enjoying it and it kinda holds the community together,(some only want events to win easy money lol). However this is a TDM server and because of this there won't be done much about it, I almost want to say that nothing is going to happen, but who knows... so probably it will be the same like it has always been.
Above I have just spoken in general, so it's for everyone out there.
Now Realdogge, what I've heard is that you had some problems in events lately, because of some players who are trying to ruin things for you during the events. Myself didn't see it, but I believe you because our friendship is so far that we believe each other, and for me you're not someone who says things that are useless what most of us are doing nowadays. It's kinda annoying when a player is provoking you especially in events where you are concentrated, and sadly we can't do much about it when the race has started, because we don't have control over the whole map. Even if we announce that racers shouldn't be shooted during the event, and still they get shooted and we can't take any action towards them, because it's a Team DeathMatch server and also it's hard to catch those because of the player counts and let me tell you it isn't that easy as many of you think, so it's kinda useless to announce that racers shouldn't be shooted, because I'm 90% sure that they will ignore it anyway. The only thing I can do is give a warning to the player(s) who is/are trying to ruin it for you. You can always send me a pm or a staff member and tell them the id of the player that wants to ruin things for you, so that we can issue a warning. Maybe that will help, but it depends whether the player wants to listen or not. To be honest, I think your idea is very good, but yeah lw's will keep their main game mode and I also like the way it is.
For those who are saying that devs are in-active I just want to tell them not to give up their hopes yet. Have a look at VC:MP Devs, how many months were they in-active?
Adtec told me that one day he will write a new Gamemode, but he isn't sure when so don't give up your hopes yet and let's stay positive. :)