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Other => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Maddy` on August 18, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
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Yet again a heart breaking event, showing how heartless a person can be.
Many families and friends have been affected by this sorrowful event, including a close friend of mine has lost a family member, may his soul and all the others who have lost their lives in this tradegy, rest in peace.
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Yet again a heart breaking event, showing how heartless a person can be.
Many families and friends have been affected by this sorrowful event, including a close friend of mine has lost a family member, may his soul and all the others who have lost their lives in this tradegy, rest in peace.
Amen, nothing to add!
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Solo era un pelotudo que mato a esta gente a proposito
Q.E.P.D
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Oh ! I am sorry to know that :(
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Indeed a very saddening and heartbreaking occurence. My condolences and sincere apologies to those who have lost a family member or a precious friend. However, Europe has to realize that accepting refugees without actually controlling who passes takes certain amount of responsibility and thus should expect this kind of terrible events occuring every now and then. They are very well aware of disasterous politics they've been supporting which is a clear suicide for everyone in Europe. Nevertheless, i hope those who have suffered will stay strong and learn how to live with it.
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I absolutely disagree.
For one, the vast majority of the perpetrators of this series of terrorist attacks these last few years were born and bred in Europe and are actually citizens of these countries. The rest are legal MIGRANTS. The Refugees involved are, according to my information, 1. In my opinion, the reason these people swing the wrong path is in the first place because of the lack of education and opportunities.
Secondly, how can you assertively claim that these refugees support radicalism? You can't just put a label on hundreds of thousands of human beings. These people are fleeing a war-torn region, in which, the same atrocities from the same terrorists are happening, only on a daily-basis and on a MUCH larger scale. You think it is easy to leave your literally EVERYTHING behind and seek refuge else-where. Think twice!
Thirdly, I am not trying to diss but please educate yourself before you claim the European Union doesn't have a solid Asylum plan and is just accepting anybody. Let me walk you through the procedures refugees have to go through before getting admitted:
1- Medical tests
2- Hours and hours of interviews just to process their claims and handle their applications. A background check is also ran independently.
3- The number of applications far exceeds the number of Asylum decisions given with more and more refugees arriving to the hotspots (the big camps in Greece and Italy) every month. Their numbers are so high that even the BASIC life services aren't provided.
4- The European Union holds the right of returning the refugees to the countries from which they came (not their countries of origin) and with the quotas established, these camps have recently become EXPULSION camps.
5- The few accepted refugees are assigned to cities where they are monitored closely to assure a swift integration.
6- Oh and not to mention, that in 2017, there are still no legal ways for refugees to reach camps and I don't think any of us here can even imagine what crossing the Mediterranean in a shitty boat cramped with 40 human bodies hardly being able to breathe (forget moving) just to escape hell feels like. You can obviously imagine the catastrophes that happen on the way though..
How do I know all this? A mix of experience and official information. And in my opinion, the refugee issue is being handled as well as it could be handled given the circumstances and the unexpected dimensions of the crisis
Fourthly, European governments can only blame themselves for the ascension of the war in the Middle East and thus the refugees crisis in Europe. Did you know that some EU members and USA sold massive amounts of weapons to ISIS back in 2010 and 2011? Did you know that the EU is still military involved in the Middle East in a coalition and that all the latest attacks were a response to this involvement? There are many political and military issues that aren't highlighted but are of big importance to the events in Europe.
Not to Runey: All that aside, I think it is our moral duty to help unfortunate people everywhere and anywhere. Let's not be egoistical and use tragedies like the one is Spain to convey our political messages because this is just fkn low and disgraceful. For instance, as a French citizen and active member of this society I despise all the French living off social aids and using these opportunities to blame it on migrants and refugees for the lack of job opportunities and the social problems in France. They are the lower than shit!
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DEY TERK UR JERBS, no but seriously
rip europe, you going down the shitter.
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I didn't want to get involved in any of that, that's the way i see it. And let's be honest; nothing would've happened, none of this if EU hadn't supported US idea of arming up ISIS and their militants. Do you seriously think this was planned in a day or a week? US and EU goverment had been planning it out for years and this is just a beginning, i don't even want to imagine what's going to happen next or what will this emerge into. It's the worst mistake EU has made so far and what we're facing today are called consequences of being obedient to governement(s) which main purpose was to cause chaos in Europe and world-wide. Anyhow, if you knew about the bullshit we've been into for 25 years in Serbia, you'd also be aware of the fact they are treated better than Serbs in their own homeland. Not to mention the higher payments they receive from government. Also the crimes they've caused during this 2 year period spent in Serbia that none of them got arrested for. Child abuse, murders, rape and such have become tolerable and their excuse being what?
Putting that aside, i sincerely hope this disaster is going to end really soon as I don't like seeing refugees at each and every corner in Belgrade.
If we disregard all of it, I repeat what i said in the first post and rest my case as I don't want anyone getting me wrong nor critisizing my political statements. I just wish the best for those affected and their relatives.
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The way I see it, it is a few thousands of human lives looking for nothing but peace that are being blamed for all the problems in Europe because it is easier to target them. I'll say it again: the misfits and parasites in Europe are the real problems...I can name at least a 100 persons I know that are benefitting from social aids when they are totally undeserving of these aids because in Europe it is a fact that the poor and rich live WAY BETTER than the middle class people who are the most hard-working in our society. This, right there, is THE REAL problem. YES blaming it on a few thousands of refugees that don't even make 1% of us Europeans is the easier option but is the right solution?
As for the theories you pointed out, I do have mine too but what I am interested is the hard knock facts and whether we like it or not we can only blame our governments for the escalation of the war and crisis in the middle east. I don't like that we complain about them coming to Europe when our armies and governments are participating in the destruction of their homelands but I don't hear anybody complaining about that. You do not wish to be involved yet you don't complain when the EU does :/, sounds irrational to me.
Finally, I very much doubt that the refugees are in any position to commit crimes when they are already being looked down on for simply living with us. I am sure the very few of them that do commit crimes are directly noticed and dealt with. You claim that NONE of the refugees (a minority of them actually that is nothing compared to our dear European criminals but again nobody wants to look at the real problem) are dealt with and I am sure you believe it and didn't make this up for the sake of arguing. However I incite you to choose where you take your infos with care and not choose what suits you as what you are claiming makes no sense at all tbh.
I do not wish to force my opinion on you but I do encourage you to try and put yourself in their shoes and think as to what you would do if you were in their shoes. We are Humans before ANYTHING ELSE. I'll end this with a quote that I learnt in philosophy back in school and stayed with me ever since: “What makes us human is not our mind but our heart, not our ability to think but our ability to love.â€
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Kids these days are gonna wake up to a very different Europe when they grow up, we are absolutely to blame for all this, if we don't change and realise it's us or them, Europe will be gone.
It's time to cut down our losses.
Unfortunately 'the good people' always loses.
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Kids these days are gonna wake up to a very different Europe when they grow up, we are absolutely to blame for all this, if we don't change and realise it's us or them, Europe will be gone.
It's time to cut down our losses.
Unfortunately 'the good people' always loses.
You've not made a single contribution to this topic. Be explicit and use arguments instead of that bullcrap..
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Kids these days are gonna wake up to a very different Europe when they grow up, we are absolutely to blame for all this, if we don't change and realise it's us or them, Europe will be gone.
It's time to cut down our losses.
Unfortunately 'the good people' always loses.
You've not made a single contribution to this topic. Be explicit and use arguments instead of that bullcrap..
Heh, I was merely voicing my opinion, and I'm not here to argue.
To an extent I agree with you, but nothing I say will change your mind, which is fine.
I happen to live in Denmark, beautiful country, even here I see damage control in full effect, as it should be.
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Kids these days are gonna wake up to a very different Europe when they grow up, we are absolutely to blame for all this, if we don't change and realise it's us or them, Europe will be gone.
It's time to cut down our losses.
Unfortunately 'the good people' always loses.
You've not made a single contribution to this topic. Be explicit and use arguments instead of that bullcrap..
Heh, I was merely voicing my opinion, and I'm not here to argue.
To an extent I agree with you, but nothing I say will change your mind, which is fine.
I happen to live in Denmark, beautiful country, even here I see damage control in full effect, as it should be.
To start off, I apologise if my reply gave you the wrong impression, I was not trying to disrespect you or your opinion. I merely wanted arguments and facts because I believe arguing and facing problems is the best way to change opinions and move forward but I respect your choice not to do so. I've only ever seen pictures of Denmark and I have to say Northern Europe is a natural paradise and there are no doubts this whole crisis is damaging the whole region. This is undeniable!
Howdy from France!
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Hey mate, none taken and nothing but respect from my side either.
You seem like one I would like to get into an argument with ;)
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Indeed a very saddening and heartbreaking occurence. My condolences and sincere apologies to those who have lost a family member or a precious friend. However, Europe has to realize that accepting refugees without actually controlling who passes takes certain amount of responsibility and thus should expect this kind of terrible events occuring every now and then. They are very well aware of disasterous politics they've been supporting which is a clear suicide for everyone in Europe. Nevertheless, i hope those who have suffered will stay strong and learn how to live with it.
Leave this place. Go to a school. Get education. Come back. You won't be posting such a bullshit again.
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Sorry for the OT but:
I don't agree with the Runey's post, but for god's sake where's the racist part in it?
This new trend risen in these last years where you immediately get called racist, male chauvinist and who knows what else, without a true reason is annoying :-\
People get triggered too easily .
I'm the first going against those ways of thinking, but only when it's really like that.
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We're all WAY off-topic don't worry xD
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Thanks for yet another constructive reply Melt, but the theories that i've mentioned appeared to be true and i'm still not convinced that those are not to blame for even a bit of chaos caused around here. After all, we have different points of view on this subject so i respect your opinion. However,
As for the theories you pointed out, I do have mine too but what I am interested is the hard knock facts and whether we like it or not we can only blame our governments for the escalation of the war and crisis in the middle east. I don't like that we complain about them coming to Europe when our armies and governments are participating in the destruction of their homelands but I don't hear anybody complaining about that. You do not wish to be involved yet you don't complain when the EU does :/, sounds irrational to me.
Seems like you got me wrong there. I've been aware of this issue for a long while and i knew what was about to come. In all honesty, do you think that i just stood by side and watched EU and US participate in complete destruction of Middle East, evil that caused so many to leave and abandon their home and all the atrocities there? I raised my voice against that, but seriously. What the fuck can an individual do when you're obviously smarter than all the politicians leading your country together, yet feeling absolutely incapable of changing anything? Nobody had ever given a fuck about it before the crisis, so now we're suffering the consequences thanks to those ingenius, retarded so called politicians. Oh the irony... As i said already, that had been planned for years and no one had taken initiative to actually do something about it. I give credit to US though, well played. Serbia was one of the first to face the problem. You didn't learn from the past? Nobody gave a crap about it. Face it now and accept the changes in system and the whole continent. You really don't have to be a Nikola Tesla or Mihailo Pupin to understand how it works.
Hey mate, none taken and nothing but respect from my side either.
You seem like one I would like to get into an argument with ;)
Respect to you also. I agree with everything you've stated in previous posts.
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Once you actually learn the full meaning of being a racist, then i might actually start taking you or your replies seriously. Until that happens, your replies will remain irrelevant to any post i make in the future. There is no sense in bearing grudges as they say.
You can't change my opinion as i didn't base it on lies or some overheard stories as you might've thought. I appreciate your advices though and don't worry, i don't get off that easily nor am i somebody to tell shit to and convince that the other one is right in everything said.
To conclude and explain myself too. I didn't mean to overdo it with replies here nor was my intention to cause an unneeded argument on this subject. I was, however, stating what i think of the whole situation without fearing any unnecessary posts here. I might've gone too much into the problem, and i apologise for doing so in advance. The main purpose of my posts were to encourage those affected and wish them a happy and foremost safe future despite recent disasterous events. I know talking about these should be avoided at all times possible as my experience tells me and taught me. I, as proud SA:MP Server Administrator, once again apologise for taking too far and to those that i may have offended in my replies. I'll try to abstain from commenting on such cases because i tend to exaggerate sometimes or get excessively sensitive when it comes to it.
Have a nice evening.
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either the european union does smth about this or we will be experiencing such attacks for a long time, im from spain and im really mad atm i cant do anything but smth needs to be done agaisnt those ppl, we have had enough attacks and the innocent ppl dont deserve that, i will never understand what they get by killing themselves like that or making police smash them like the other day in barcelona, what leads a person doing such attacks?
These guys claim they are muslims and they follow allah, well imo the islamic state should do smth agaisnt these guys as well, cos they're making ppl hate muslims in general thats not right i know, but thats what it provokes and this isnt going to end well for the muslims that have nothing to do with these attacks and im experiencing the hate agaisnt muslims in a very first view here in my country and it increases each time any of these terorrists do an attack, sadly.
I wanted to express myself from the resignation i feel right now dont coem and call me racist now
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Ya I am a 100 % aware that you meant no harm and I actually am delighted you decided to share your opinion because as I said before arguing and talking it out is for me the best way of moving forward and progressing so thumbs up ;).
either the european union does smth about this or we will be experiencing such attacks for a long time, im from spain and im really mad atm i cant do anything but smth needs to be done agaisnt those ppl, we have had enough attacks and the innocent ppl dont deserve that, i will never understand what they get by killing themselves like that or making police smash them like the other day in barcelona, what leads a person doing such attacks?
These guys claim they are muslims and they follow allah, well imo the islamic state should do smth agaisnt these guys as well, cos they're making ppl hate muslims in general thats not right i know, but thats what it provokes and this isnt going to end well for the muslims that have nothing to do with these attacks and im experiencing the hate agaisnt muslims in a very first view here in my country and it increases each time any of these terorrists do an attack, sadly.
I wanted to express myself from the resignation i feel right now dont coem and call me racist now
Nobody's going to call you racist man, I know it is hard for you right now and I offer you my deepest condolences. I can't blame you for resenting Muslims especially as these terrorists claim to follow the teachings of this religion. However I advise you not to give in to hate as I can assure you that Muslims hate these cunts as much as anybody else and maybe even more. You should know that these cunts are also terrorising Muslims in Syria and Iraq and on a much larger scale. You'll also see Muslims everywhere rejecting these terrorists (literally everywhere: in social media, in protests (I am talking hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Europe throughout the last years) and even people around you I am sure of it). These terrorists aim to turn people against each-other in order to create instability and hate so don't just yield and give them what they want. Show them that the Spanish people aren't as weak as they think they are and that they can actually overcome this hurdle together and get past this dark together as well. Try to always keep in mind that our diversity in general (not just religion wise) is what makes us beautiful and it is what makes us Human so don't let them take this away from us.
Anyways I offer you my deepest condolences Juan and know that the whole world is standing beside Spain at this difficult moment :)!
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Probably this happened because spain has been selling weapons to saudi arabia. These so called "human bombs" are "sofisticated" double edged weapons, that has been being created for years. Don't lump them all together with muslims, they are victims as well and still has tu suffer discrimation.