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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 03:07:20 AM

Title: [DENIED] SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 03:07:20 AM
Im starting to notice more and more people getting banned for switching weapons... now there is a 2 different ways you can do it.....one way you should be banned for and should never be able to come back.... if you dont know what i mean ask me to show you...... and another way which you switch your weps once every few minutes and you would even notice... unless your sit there and watch for 20 minutes you would see about 5 switchs... and really this is starting to be a stupid rule banning good people for no reason... i got a couple ideas how to fix it 1 take tecs out of whiteys and make sawn offs cheaper.... 2 change the order that weaps are switched  so your tecs don't switch to sawn offs... i really dont know whats going on with this but this problem and it should be able to be solved.


if anyone else has any better ideas i would love to here it
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 03:09:11 AM
rofl i got a better idea

HOW ABOUT CHANGE THE RULES SO U CAN SWITCH.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: eDiT on August 18, 2008, 03:41:02 AM
we had a poll on this already, allowing switching won, but the admins didnt seem to care
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sneaky on August 18, 2008, 03:44:36 AM
Switching is a hard subject, the admins talked about this but never came to an conclusion..
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Neonkiller on August 18, 2008, 03:50:51 AM
I rather keep the switching rules the way it is even thou the last poll said yes to switching...
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:00:21 AM
there is only 1 reason you should be banned for switching weaps and that is when you switch back and forth back and forth back and forth and never reload your saws off ... NOT when you switch your weaps and dont constantly miss your reload. its not that hard of a concept to get.   
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 04:02:27 AM
i think it just fine the way it is.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: eDiT on August 18, 2008, 04:02:55 AM
but since its not a bug, it should be allowed!
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:03:35 AM
yea its not a bug.

Littlewhiteys is the only server that doesnt allow it.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:06:51 AM
it is a bug if you do it over and over to skip your reload ... come on dont be stupid... i just want to see people banned  for switching weps when they arnt constantly doing it... all the admins have to do is /watch for 5 mins to see if they are abusing the switch bad enough to ban some one its not that hard
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:08:14 AM
It is not a bug.

Bugs are glitches and exploits.

This is just switching between weapons faster.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [LW][KFJ]Zegro REPRESENT on August 18, 2008, 04:08:40 AM
yea its not a bug.

Littlewhiteys is the only server that doesnt allow it.

this'll sound silly but I think it should only be allowed to an extent.
I think avoiding the reload should be allowed with switching, but shooting a minimal amount of uzi's just to switch back should be disallowed.
so, only shoot 1-20 or so uzi's just to switch to sawns shouldn't be allowed.
exactly what sanq said basically
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:09:58 AM
Thats going to be awful hard to manage.

To determine if they are shooting the minimal amount or not.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [LW][KFJ]Zegro REPRESENT on August 18, 2008, 04:12:30 AM
Thats going to be awful hard to manage.

To determine if they are shooting the minimal amount or not.
I'm not saying a precise amount, I'm just saying when people only do it to be a cunt and shoot sawns faster while still doing damage during a ''reload period'', then it should be disallowed
so, depends on how many shots are fired from the uzi, and how many times it is done as sanq said
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:15:09 AM
lol why not allow switching entirely?

Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:16:37 AM
there is no minimum... and it wouldnt be hard to control seeing how all the admin would have to do is watch the player accused of doing it by simply typing /report id switching? then admin would watch and if they arnt abusing the tec/sawn/tec that would be that.... like i said already you cant just switch back and forth back and forth back and forth (which would be the way you would be banned for) you would be abusing switching weps by always skipping your reload  
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:19:42 AM
there is a minimum.

15 tec bullets

then u can switch.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 04:21:17 AM
trying to control it would be to hard. just leave it as is.......
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:22:15 AM
or Just allow it all together.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 04:22:38 AM
or Just allow it all together.
yea one or the other....
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:30:03 AM
now getting back to the original reason why i started this thread is because people are being banned for switching that are not abusing it and its starting to become a problem..actions must be taken on this problem...

Editing: Stop having ago at people - you have been warned
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:34:44 AM
no read what part i quoted of ur statement.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:38:10 AM
no read what part i quoted of ur statement.
sence we are on this topic let me make the first post i made

Im starting to notice more and more people getting banned for switching weapons... now there is a 2 different ways you can do it.....one way you should be banned for and should never be able to come back.... if you dont know what i mean ask me to show you...... and another way which you switch your weps once every few minutes and you would even notice... unless your sit there and watch for 20 minutes you would see about 5 switchs... and really this is starting to be a stupid rule banning good people for no reason... i got a couple ideas how to fix it 1 take tecs out of whiteys and make sawn offs cheaper.... 2 change the order that weaps are switched  so your tecs don't switch to sawn offs... i really dont know whats going on with this but this problem and it should be able to be solved.


if anyone else has any better ideas i would love to here it
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 04:39:26 AM
already told u my idea, itll make LW have more competition, more clans, and more action. If Switching were allowed
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 04:45:05 AM
already told u my idea, itll make LW have more competition, more clans, and more action. If Switching were allowed

thanks for the suggestion but i would still like other ideas to come up maybe from an admin...
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sneaky on August 18, 2008, 05:03:41 AM
What about we allow switching for a few days and see what happens?
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 05:04:00 AM
That would be PERFECT.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 05:06:39 AM
What about we allow switching for a few days and see what happens?
how about we dont and say we did......  :D
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sneaky on August 18, 2008, 05:07:52 AM
That would be PERFECT.

Yes, I dont see any problems with that.. if it turns out bad we can disallow it again, and else keep switching allowed. I'll discuss this with the admins I think it's a good idea..
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 05:11:59 AM
That would be PERFECT.

Yes, I dont see any problems with that.. if it turns out bad we can disallow it again, and else keep switching allowed. I'll discuss this with the admins I think it's a good idea..
great then im going to have to learn to switch o wait immortaility can teach me :)
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 05:23:13 AM
i cant say thats what i was going for.. i want it to be controlled  there is a line between bug switching and switching can you people not see that skipping reload over and over and over is a bug and you should be banned but switching you weaps once in a while is not... in any other game you run out of your bullets you pull out your hand gun because its faster to do that then it is to reload your main wep i dont want this great server to become like LVP.. switching weps is one this but when you allow switching back and forth back and forth back and forth you are bugging the system by skipping the reload constantly.. the only point ive been trying to make is there is two different types of switching the bug way (which your all want) and right way(the way your should be aloud to switch your weps)
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 05:32:32 AM
so what you mean is shoot saws then go to tec9 but use for some time then go back to saws...
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [BA]iMmOrTaLiTy on August 18, 2008, 05:46:27 AM
yea sure KmanN i can teach u if u want  8) 8)
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 05:48:54 AM
then get on msn o and to sanq if your mad at me plz stop flaming me and just fight me. im sick of you flaming me all the time get over it move on.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 06:06:53 AM
then get on msn o and to sanq if your mad at me plz stop flaming me and just fight me. im sick of you flaming me all the time get over it move on.
its just a game and if you cant handle it go play ruin scape your not a good player by any means actually i looked at the all time deaths today kman your right up there and by the time im done with you you will lead the all time deaths board. and frankly i try to fight you and you just jump in a plane and fly around the map or you swim back and forth in the river so i cant kill you maybe your the one that should grow some balls and take the beating and stop giving me reasons to flame you. btw im going to make you quit the server just wait and see because your my only target in this game and i will not stop coming do what you want get me banned over and over but the fact still remains im better then you in game and irl. ps [IBFN] like you

keep on brown nosing the admins boy
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 06:13:05 AM
1 dont know what [IBFN] is
2 lol some admins dont like me a whole lot so ok w/e
3 grow some ball LOL!
4 make me quit the server gl i dont care if i die i dont give a shit
5 lol i only flew around the map once that was because it was 5 on 1 and well i like to fly
6 im on top death because i have been using this account sence i started and back then i couldnt shoot for shit.
7your better then me  irl hhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahhahahahhaha! as if.
8 i never gave you a reason to flame me and im getting sick of it.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 06:19:43 AM
you've been using this account sense you started wow me to oh wait my first name was cheifni**a then i got banned for that and the was 3 years ago.. ps [IBFN] like you
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 06:21:56 AM
you've been using this account sense you started wow me to oh wait my first name was cheifni**a then i got banned for that and the was 3 years ago.. ps [IBFN] like you
wtf is [IBFN] !
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 06:38:34 AM
you've been using this account sense you started wow me to oh wait my first name was cheifni**a then i got banned for that and the was 3 years ago.. ps [IBFN] like you
wtf is [IBFN] !

[IBFN] = I BUTT FUCK NOOBS .... like you
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 06:44:23 AM
you've been using this account sense you started wow me to oh wait my first name was cheifni**a then i got banned for that and the was 3 years ago.. ps [IBFN] like you
wtf is [IBFN] !

[IBFN] = I BUTT FUCK NOOBS .... like you
wow that is the lames thing ever
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 06:47:37 AM
you've been using this account sense you started wow me to oh wait my first name was cheifni**a then i got banned for that and the was 3 years ago.. ps [IBFN] like you
wtf is [IBFN] !

[IBFN] = I BUTT FUCK NOOBS .... like you
wow that is the lames thing ever

and you are the lamest player ever for getting me banned every other day for saying a few hatefull words on the interwebs 
ps. [IBFN] like you
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 06:50:46 AM
SOME ONE PLZ LOCK THIS NOW HE IS FLAMING AND GOING WAY OFF TOPIC.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: KmanN on August 18, 2008, 07:59:44 AM
ok try and have me banned i done nothing wrong
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Caturday on August 18, 2008, 09:00:50 AM
If it was allowed:

People would switch, new people would start leaving because they are dieing quicker meaning we LOOSE players and the second its gone back to normal (aka no switching) people will then scream "OMG I WAS ALLOWED TO DO IT LAST NIGHT!!! STOP KICKING ME" on and on and on...

Its simple - if you cant wait for your weapons to reload and you switch then its a cheap kill
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: [JOKER]sugar on August 18, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
i cant switch i was in lvp for like an hour and the whole time i just couldnt switch  :-\
even tho i was tying lol  ::)  i been playing with reload for a long time and id prefer just to keep it that way  its all that im used to it may be a little unfair on the ppl who cant switch but i suppose if the managment say aye then aye it is
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sanquentin[S] on August 18, 2008, 10:34:27 AM
still you should be aloud to switch with out exploiting the non reload....







please do not remove my post i didn't say anything wrong and that is a huge piss off
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Backstabber on August 18, 2008, 12:04:17 PM
I've noticed there's lot confusion what the exact definition of switching is (even among regulars as you can see here http://gta-mp.littlewhitey.com/index.php?topic=1436.msg27274#msg27274). What is considered switching? Is shooting sawn and directly changing to tec switching even though you reload the sawn when you cycle back (and vice versa)? In the end you will reload before firing it again anyway, so you don't gain any advantage imo. And I've seen mod's/admins do this as well, shooting with tec and waiting for you to enter ammu/24 on low health then quickly switching to sawn to kill you while entering. I personally don't consider this switching.
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: PuBerZz on August 18, 2008, 12:22:43 PM
This is 'switching' aka 'fighting with no reload'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmc1F40lleA
I've also noticed people getting confused on this issue.

Now, Shooting 4 sawns/shooting 100tecs then reloading sawns and shooting 4 again is how I fight and how I have fought since learning fight in LW. Never been kicked or reported as far as I know, and its how alot of regulars fight.

I also don't see the big deal in to reloading uzi unless you plan on using them for the while fight.
People also shoot 4 sawns,reload, use Uzi and then shoot 4 sawns, nothing wrong with that but people have been reported for it :/
Title: Re: SWITCHING WEAPS
Post by: Sneaky on August 18, 2008, 12:26:31 PM
Quote
"I would think that the current rule in place is fine for LW, the mood for LW is more of a laid back kind of server were new players can play and get used to online SA MP, while more veteran players can just mess around (while still getting into skilled fight). Although a lot of people say that LW would be better if it allowed the switch bug, I'd say that I am more in agreement with you, it would be a bit too powerful and at the same time alienate newer players who are just learning how to play (who are already at a disadvantage)."

Locked based on that, stop making topics about switching rules. LW = LW, if you dont like the rules pick another server, get over yourself and stop crying.