Common sense.

[EnzoMortelli]

If there is no consistence in that you might have to go out in the future and kill some LW's players

I could consider several other people who deserve it more....most of the staff at Churchill would be a start (yes im pissed at my insurence for being idiots) - now on topic:

I have not been in game much, due to work, and other stuff happening where apparently my decent in to a big black hole just continues and continues....

good luck

In game each admin is allowed a certain "flexibility" due to people interpreting things differently. Now, i for one try to punish each player in constancy with the rules and common courtesy. (I.e. warning new players, banning older players for certain actions). However, each admin may view the same instance differently and think different punishments are appropriate. Therefore, we have to have some flexibility. There is rigidity as well (haxors are banned instantly)....i forgot where this is going now D:

We try to ban people who deserve it (haxors, persistent rule breakers, etc) but a new player who breaks a rule - we will warn not ban. A player who has logged 30+ hours game time and breaks a rule = kick/ban (deepening on rule broken). We do give players what they deserve in game when it is needed. However, each person will interpret what a person deservers differently and a major problem now is the lack of respect for players and admins by certain players. Some who think saying "You bitch" is a flame and instant ban. Some who "flame bait" then deny they have done anything wrong.

Well, i don't ask for admins that take actions narrowminded, sure there is a need to decide every issue for itself, and i agree with taking different actions on new and old, on different players. But common sense and courtesy aren't called 'common' for no reason. I believe there are limits on how much rule breaks should pass through unharmed, how much flame an admin should take for '18+ game '. And in my opinion there are too much players which have allready exceeded that limit.

And i agree that sometimes it's funny, and if it goes within a normal discussion it's ok. (I confess that sometimes even i flame ) But if it doesn't stop for ages, and it is clearly visible that none of the involved persons can lead the discussion to a satisfaction, a compromise or even an end - Then it should be ended. No one benefits of eternal flamewars, not the involved ppl, not the uninvolved players, not the server.

And i believe that the current societal changes require to lower these limits, otherwise changes may overtake the gaming experience and destroy it.

When i come in to game i rarely see flaming (prob cus i get bored and ban people involved - always fun). I also rarely see people not using common sense (unless i ban them, then they are idiots).

Well on LW's there's still more respect to the staff then on much other servers. Ppl mostly rulebreak, cheat and hack when no admins are online

Umm thats all i can think of as a reply. Let me know if it makes sense D:

I thought about it. I replied. Hence it does. (At least for me) Thx for sharing your thoughts.

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I believe there are limits on how much rule breaks should pass through unharmed, how much flame an admin should take for '18+ game '. And in my opinion there are too much players which have already exceeded that limit.

I could not say one way or other (not enough info). One thing i can think of is that other admins may not be aware of earlier actions (i.e. PLayer X is kicked by me for flame. Another admin (when i have gone) sees player X who is on a final warning, but does not realise this, and again kicks. It looks like were being "soft" and illogical, when in fact we all think he is on his first warning. We do keep some logs, so telling an admin "hey Player X been kicked for that once/twice,etc" we can look it up or ask for details from the other admin, and punish that player better.

No one benefits of eternal flame wars, not the involved ppl, not the uninvolved players, not the server.

Agreed.

I have nothing more to add at this time. If i am on line (as i am sure most admins) we do try to stop flaming/chitters (ofc), etc. and use common sense (i also use what little sanity i have left) to punish players appropriately.

As i say at the moment my life is taking over, and craps happenings (seems to be raining it at times). However, if i can i will try to be in game more (would not expect that for a little while. This things that happening is dragging out and out and out)

Just as a reminder, although admins are not always in game i know that I have my IRC set up (when its open and connected) to show me any reports. (and not just show up, it alerts me...so i know instantly). Any flames/some chits I can look up from irc and punish players or talk to them.

I can not think of much more to add.
Some one wish me luck though...i have a feeling i will need it...sigh.
("I hearing them saying tomorrows just another day, i hear them saying it gets better every day, i hear them saying...")

[BikeDriver]

well i still dont really get the point of this topic but whatever.

i think the time is over where players take admins seriously. some regular players really think the way "hey im an old fuck and the server is super dead so nobody will bother to catch me if i /q once in a while".
the server seems to be at a state where nobody cares about anything. in 30 minutes i see so much bullshit.. its unbelievable.

it looks like many regulars only join the server because of their habits and not because they want to have fun. at least thats what many regulars look like when i see them playing nowadays. mindly retarded zombies who are trying to get some attention on a half ded server..

you can create as much topics as you want. the server needs MORE and DIFFERENT players or nothing will change ever again.

[Quickplay]

well i still dont really get the point of this topic but whatever.

i think the time is over where players take admins seriously. some regular players really think the way "hey im an old fuck and the server is super dead so nobody will bother to catch me if i /q once in a while".
the server seems to be at a state where nobody cares about anything. in 30 minutes i see so much bullshit.. its unbelievable.

it looks like many regulars only join the server because of their habits and not because they want to have fun. at least thats what many regulars look like when i see them playing nowadays. mindly retarded zombies who are trying to get some attention on a half ded server..

you can create as much topics as you want. the server needs MORE and DIFFERENT players or nothing will change ever again.

but even just share an opinion and talk about it isn't bad

[AJP]

well i still dont really get the point of this topic but whatever.

i think the time is over where players take admins seriously. some regular players really think the way "hey im an old fuck and the server is super dead so nobody will bother to catch me if i /q once in a while".
the server seems to be at a state where nobody cares about anything. in 30 minutes i see so much bullshit.. its unbelievable.

it looks like many regulars only join the server because of their habits and not because they want to have fun. at least thats what many regulars look like when i see them playing nowadays. mindly retarded zombies who are trying to get some attention on a half ded server..

you can create as much topics as you want. the server needs MORE and DIFFERENT players or nothing will change ever again.

Completely agree.

[EnzoMortelli]

I could not say one way or other (not enough info). One thing i can think of is that other admins may not be aware of earlier actions (i.e. PLayer X is kicked by me for flame. Another admin (when i have gone) sees player X who is on a final warning, but does not realise this, and again kicks. It looks like were being "soft" and illogical, when in fact we all think he is on his first warning. We do keep some logs, so telling an admin "hey Player X been kicked for that once/twice,etc" we can look it up or ask for details from the other admin, and punish that player better.

Yes it's logical that you can't always know who has been kicked and punished before how many times, and that isn't really my main concern, especially nowadays ppl get punished every minute and it's expectable and acceptable that admins lose track of it. My concern is more about single specific actions, but, as you said correctly, different for different players.

If i am on line (as i am sure most admins) we do try to stop flaming/chitters (ofc), etc. and use common sense (i also use what little sanity i have left) to punish players appropriately.

I'm sure admins are sane more or less. I meant that players should use more common sense.

As i say at the moment my life is taking over, and craps happenings (seems to be raining it at times). However, if i can i will try to be in game more (would not expect that for a little while. This things that happening is dragging out and out and out)

I can not think of much more to add.
Some one wish me luck though...i have a feeling i will need it...sigh.
("I hearing them saying tomorrows just another day, i hear them saying it gets better every day, i hear them saying...")

Good luck bro.

well i still dont really get the point of this topic but whatever.

[i think the time is over where players take admins seriously. some regular players really think the way "hey im an old fuck and the server is super dead so nobody will bother to catch me if i /q once in a while".
the server seems to be at a state where nobody cares about anything. in 30 minutes i see so much bullshit.. its unbelievable.

it looks like many regulars only join the server because of their habits and not because they want to have fun. at least thats what many regulars look like when i see them playing nowadays. mindly retarded zombies who are trying to get some attention on a half ded server..

you can create as much topics as you want. the server needs MORE and DIFFERENT players or nothing will change ever again.]

what are you complaining about? I see you totally got what i wanted to say with this topic.

but even just share an opinion and talk about it isn't bad

Yep that's where i aimed to. Just sharing opinions without any evaluation. (Or at least not so much )