Newbie!!!

[Gryphus_One]

I make this suggestion after seeing so many people complaining in my other thread.

It's very simple: we can keep the current stats system so nobody loses them, but when a new player has less than X hours ingame, he doesn't count to the stats of the other players. So for example, if you kill a newbie you don't get the kill to your stats (like with db). And the same with deaths: if the new player kills you (for example if he isn't new but a regular undercover), you don't get the death either.

Also, we can make those new players have white colour, so you know instantly that they don't count to your stats.
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[[R]Qwerbeet_rulstler]

Will the kill by the noob be counted?

if the new player kills a regular, the regular doesn't get the death either

[Gryphus_One]

Will the kill by the noob be counted?

if the new player kills a regular, the regular doesn't get the death either

No, the stats aren't counted until that player has X hours ingame.

[Simon]

The problem you're suggesting to fix already has a proposed fix.

The system proposed for stats in the development forums will log experience at the time of kill . This will not not count kills however it will have a weighting on the skill points, for example it could work like:

1 XP Player vs 100 XP Player
+0.01 (1/100) skill points if 100 XP player wins, +100 (100/1) skill points if 1 XP player wins.

100 XP Player vs 100 XP Player
+1 (100/100) skill points if either player wins, equal players killing each other.

100 XP Player vs 5000 XP Player
+0.02 (100/5000) skill points if 100 XP player wins, +50 (5000/100) skill points if 100 XP player wins.

That's just the general idea from the top of my head. If you have played any RPG with leveling then you'll know the idea. There has been nothing formalised yet so no specifics as of now.

[Gryphus_One]

That seems to be a good idea Hazard, I haden't thought about that one.

Or another idea is getting points proportionally to the kill ratio of your victim, so if you kill someone with a high kill ratio, you get more points than if you kill someone with a low ratio.

[S3rs]

I like that.

[Disco]

Do whatever you want <.<
I mean we still can move all to GamerX if you do sth no one likes

[Quickplay]

i agree with removing stats, which are a stupid thing, totally useless, except for nerds who needs to see a good ratio to feel themselves pr0 rofl

let's remove stats! it will send the server back to the old times, when really good players didn't run when close to death and didn't care so much to ratio -.-

[robbynab]

Gryphus doesnt seem to realize that implementing his stupidious idea about removing stats, will make alot of regulars (which have alot of donators between them) leave aswell and then ull only be left with the 1 time joiner newbies who just seek some fun for 1 or 2 hours and the next day they join some other random server. Whos gunna fund the project then gryphus? You ?

Amen to that one.

[Gryphus_One]

Gryphus doesnt seem to realize that implementing his stupidious idea about removing stats, will make alot of regulars (which have alot of donators between them) leave aswell and then ull only be left with the 1 time joiner newbies who just seek some fun for 1 or 2 hours and the next day they join some other random server. Whos gunna fund the project then gryphus? You ?

Lol this is a full load of bullshit:
Donators have already donated, so the server already has that money, and regulars who haven't already donated, in most cases will never do it anyway.
Also, that "lot of regulars that will leave" are the ones who are always killing newbies to pad stats, right? they are the only ones that would lose something with my stats suggestions. And really, the server would be better without them...
And last of all, those "1 time joiner newbies that the next day join some other random servers"... of course that they join LW only once and never come back!!! but wtf do you expect if they are always spawnkilled?? If they were respected and well treated, some of them would eventually become donators too.

[robbynab]

Gryphus doesnt seem to realize that implementing his stupidious idea about removing stats, will make alot of regulars (which have alot of donators between them) leave aswell and then ull only be left with the 1 time joiner newbies who just seek some fun for 1 or 2 hours and the next day they join some other random server. Whos gunna fund the project then gryphus? You ?

Lol this is a full load of bullshit:
Donators have already donated, so the server already has that money, and regulars who haven't already donated, in most cases will never do it anyway.
Also, that "lot of regulars that will leave" are the ones who are always killing newbies to pad stats, right? they are the only ones that would lose something with my stats suggestions. And really, the server would be better without them...
And last of all, those "1 time joiner newbies that the next day join some other random servers"... of course that they join LW only once and never come back!!! but wtf do you expect if they are always spawnkilled?? If they were respected and well treated, some of them would eventually become donators too.

Lol now this is a full load of bullshit.
1st: No. As you might've seen, there are loads of them even in this forum: Disco, Benny, myself (not really that active, but though) and others. There are so many others around.
2nd: If you think that an even emptier server is better, cheers.
Last Part: Not really. What do you think why the heck the server was full years ago with the same (let's call it like you do: ) problems? Newbies always been killed by others, and it won't change.

[Gryphus_One]

Lol now this is a full load of bullshit.
1st: No. As you might've seen, there are loads of them even in this forum: Disco, Benny, myself (not really that active, but though) and others. There are so many others around.
2nd: If you think that an even emptier server is better, cheers.
Last Part: Not really. What do you think why the heck the server was full years ago with the same (let's call it like you do: ) problems? Newbies always been killed by others, and it won't change.

1st: So? that doesn't change the fact that donators have already donated, and regulars who haven't, probably will never do it anyway.

2nd: Wtf lol??

Last part: that's the past man. Lots of things have happened and circunstances aren't the same.

[Disco]

Gryphus let me tell you someting that even you understand it.

You are right that with youre suggestions you would maybe get some newbs who stay there a while and you could increase the player count.

But the point is Lw got a higher standart then servers like GamerX and thats why i play here.
So you cant change the things here more and more to such a server with all youre suggestions.
Because if i look back at every single suggestion you made its going into such a way like GamerX is for example.
The player count here wont be so high as on a Server like GamerX because the standart of Lw is higher and there are not rly much people of that standart.
The way to make this server more crowded would be to give new players weapons, cash and the possibility to earn some kills. ( Dont ask me how, its just a fact)
Trying to increase the player count with stopping that better players kill newbs isnt doable because if a player finds an easykill he will kill him in 9 of 10 cases even if he doesnt get it counted as a kill.

correct me if i am wrong

[Gryphus_One]

LOL high standard, this is the ultimate joke!!!
Yeah sure, that's why most players here would bite the dust with a Rustler right? Or even better, I would like to see all those "high standard" players from here, playing in the plane server that I'm playing in. Even I sometimes have difficulties playing against some of the awesome pilots that are in that TRUE high standard server.

What is high in this server is the pride of many of its players, that think they are the best because they have killed 7 newbies without having died any single time. Of course they had armour, an entire gang covering them and lots of weapons...
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[Gryphus_One]

And gryphus you always come with the same arguments which is getting old.

Arguments like:

• Regulars ALWAYS gang up on newbies
• Newbies ALWAYS get spawn raped
• Nothing is easy for newbies

Answers to those arguments:
Ofcourse they gang up on them if they cross their territory at NAM...

And how do you expect a newbie to even KNOW that he is in the territory of a gang? he just goes around exploring the city, don't expect him to browse the map and study "ok let's see where the gang territories are, and now I plan a route to avoid passing through them", it's just absurd, he must be free to go wherever he wants without worrying about something that he doesn't even know.

Well if they spawn near a crowded area well duhh they would get killed. Or some regular passed by where the newbie spawns. Its unavoidable.

ROFL unavoidable?? and what about a fucking SPAWN PROTECTION?? I have already been thinking of suggesting it, but it's just a shame, this is such a basic thing in any server and in any game, that it should have been there from the very first day and with no need of anyone suggesting it. But how the fuck can a server allow a player to be killed in just the very same second he spawns and without him being able to do anything??

Its not supposed to be easy. You gotta learn how to play and if ur not willing like you gryphus then just go play pac man or solitaire (like Drugz would say)

And why the hell should I play any other game if I love San Andreas and is one of the best games ever made? if on top of that we take into account that LW makes people play the game in an uncorrect way, then it's clear that it's not me who should go playing any other game, but most onfoot regulars going to play Call of Duty or Crysis if they don't want to be dbed nor helikilled.

Its not a damn rustler fighting server. Thats maybe how you see it but guess what its not.

Well everything can be changed. And making things for Rustlers (for example) wouldn't stop the server from being dm too, so dmers would still be able to play their way and so would other players. But this is not what I'm suggesting in this thread.

Why dont you go find urself a server that has everything u want ?

Like for example?

LW is highstandard on DM on foot. Not in some stupid ass rustler fight or db in ur case.

Ohh very good: let's limit the server so you ONLY can do exactly the very same things that you can do in VCMP or in GTA IV to give only two examples, and all those unique features of San Andreas that no other single game has (like planes), we just forget about them, as if they didn't exist. It's one of the things that makes San Andreas be one of the best games of the History, but who cares? And then, after not offering anything unique and different, we cry because the server is empty. Very smart yeah...
But as I said, this is not what I'm suggesting now.

And when some random new guy joins ofcourse he gets his ass whipped but if he just stays and trys to learn how to play he will maybe someday whoop his killers ass. ITs all part of the learning process. And nothing should change about that. Because if you try and make it a shitload easier for everyone the regulars will get it easier to and whoop the newbies asses even worse.[/list]

Well that doesn't have to happen: in other servers you can be a complete newbie and not be slaughtered the same way you are here.
And making things easier for newbies doesn't always imply also making it easier for regulars to rape newbies, there are things that just balance the game and reduce the differences between players.
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