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Updating my desktop pc!
« on: March 27, 2012, 05:42:42 AM »
Well title says it all, I'd like to rebuild/update my pc and the only thing I wanna keep for sure is my Nvidia GeForce GTX 550 Ti (and my case lol).
I also have an older GT8600 lying around which I would like to use, because 2 is better than one right?

I'd like to build a performance machine, because when my old one died, the guys in the shop replaced my mobo for some lame crap etc...
Current system:
- AMD Phenom X4 Quad-Core 2.3GHz
- 4GB RAM
- Some lame Asus AMD 2+ supporting sucky motherboard
- HDD's

Could I get some tips on very good performance material, and what to choose according to motherboards which can hold the two GPU's?

Fire your suggestions away! Price doesn't really matter much, as long as it isn't over the top :)

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 10:01:50 AM »
Its not really the Motherboard you should look at when it comes to 2 GPU's The only thing u need to worry about for your motherboard is that it supports 2 GPU's and if you got enough space to place the 2 cards (Some cards can take up to 2 or even 3 PCI slots. Another thing you have to worry about is the PSU and in particular a PSU that has enough amps on the 12v rail.

Look for performance PSU's that have been thoroughly tested on Crossfire or Sli (what ever you decide to pick ATI or Nvidia)

Anyway you cannot and should not ever use the older GT8600 with the newer GTX550. The main reason would be that they are completely different GPU's they run on different speeds, memory clock, processor clock etc etc. Different chipsets etc etc. If you want 2 GPU's pick 2 of the same cards, (same brand same model etc etc because theres even a difference between the same GPU but different brands as well)

Anyway upgrade to AM3 or AM3+, AM2/AM2+ is going to disappear from the market. And Intel would be a better choice for doing Sli / Crossfire because of the processing power Intel has.

Just to go 5 steps ahead of you, if you decide to pick 2 of the same GPU cards. Look into liquid cooling. Because 2 cards directly above eachother could give heat problems because the air trapped between the cards would heat up the bottom card alot more than the card above it. But a good airflow could work out as well using a fan on the side panel if you got a case for it (make sure it fits with the cards though)

Some more specific information about your current system would be much more appreciated. I would like to know the following:
- AMD Phenom X4 Quad-Core 2.3GHz                                     Which one because i have an AMD Phenom x4 Quad core as well so let me know if its a 955 or 945 or something
- 4GB RAM                                                                        Brand? What Mhz is it? Which stepping?
- Some lame Asus AMD 2+ supporting sucky motherboard            Brand ? Model number?
- HDD's                                                                              Sata 1, Sata 2 or Sata 3?
Powersupply (PSU) Brand? Type? Modelnumber?


Would be good to know what budget you are on to see if its worth upgrading your current system or just go onto a new PC.

Personal interest:
What brand is the GT8600 ? I have got one myself and ive been looking for a GT8600 of the same brand. To check if i can put them in Sli.

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 03:50:43 PM »
Its not really the Motherboard you should look at when it comes to 2 GPU's The only thing u need to worry about for your motherboard is that it supports 2 GPU's

my dear friend... thats absolutely wrong.
the most important thing when it comes to 2 graphics cards are the lanes.

crap motherboards with 2 PCIe 16x slots will not have 16/16 lanes (16 = full speed). they will have 16/8 or even 16/4 which means the second graphics card can only opperate on 4 lanes.

if you want to install 2 graphics cards then take a fucking look at the fucking lanes. buy one which supports 16/16. or one with 3 slots which supports 16/16/4.
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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 04:12:12 PM »
Ok that's a lot of info I don't have. Well, Benny, you make a difference between updating my pc and getting a new one, but to me that's almost the same. Updating my pc in this case means just probably keeping my hard drives.

On a side note: If I can't use my old GPU, is it advised to get 2 GPU's? I don't have a good history with buying new parts and making it work flawlessly, so if you say I could get in trouble with overheating, I'll probably not do it.

The fact is, my pc is working hard to play games atm. My AMD still is AM2 so I was planning on upgrading, but since the shop provided me a seriously crappy mobo which only supports 4GB RAM, one GPU an nothing after AM2, I'd have to change that.

I just want a good rig which can last a while. My main interests are playing BF3, LA Noire, GTA IV (and V eventually) on really high settings. My current setup doesn't let me get those settings, or it looks like shit, and I know it's not the GTX550 Ti.

So any suggestions of kits I can buy (as in products/models/links) of products who are also available in Belgium would be awesome. I don't know alot about that stuff, like lanes, speeds or whatnot but I can fit the pieces together.
Budget is not really an issue. Maybe not over 1000 euro's :p

edit: for those specific questions about model numbers of mobo's, RAM etc I would have to take apart my PC, so I rather not do that because as long as it's working I try not to work on it as much as I can. Last time I took out some RAM to see what kind of RAM I had and it 'magically' quitted on me.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2012, 04:14:40 PM by Faraday »

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 04:40:30 PM »
cpu...
either AMD or intel. about 300-400 €price range:

either:
AMD FX-8150
or
Intel Core i7-3820
or even
Intel Core i7-3930K (expensive)


graphics card is easy. just buy latest ATI. probably the one for 300 monies if you want to stay under 1000 monies. dont buy nvidia right now because they are about to release new nvidia in few months. so radeon 7870 or 7950 it is. you can choose of course :)

motherboard.. well if you buy those graphics card then 1 slot is all you need lol but those have more slots anyway so whatever:
for amd: GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-D3
for intel: GIGABYTE X79-UD3


« Last Edit: March 27, 2012, 04:42:27 PM by BikeDriver »
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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 05:43:04 PM »
Bikedriver

That shit is pretty obvious dont you think. Hence why i did not mention it. If you want 2 run 2 graphics cards u need 2x x16. Also another fact would be that if you use Sli or Crossfire the second card is simply there for backup and mostly uses just 20 % of its capacity to assist the primary card. Could be different now i don't know that. And what ever you where talking about ive got no idea. All i know is that PCI-E x16 is for graphics cards. never heard of any PCI-E x16 slot that would make a graphics card run slower than supposed to.

Anyway if you need help putting a PC together just let me know on Steam or IRC. And ill help you get parts its easier since we both speak same language atleast i think it would be easier.

For 1000 euro budget range i could put something nice together for you.




Edit:
Just for fun i put together a PC.

CPU:      AMD FX 8150 Black Edition 3.6GHz 8MB AM3+              http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/292705/amd-fx-8150-black-edition.html
Mobo:    ASRock 970 Extreme4                                             http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/285746/asrock-970-extreme4.html#tab:prices
GFX:      MSI Radeon R7770-2PMD1GD5/OC - 1GB - PCI-E         http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/303903/msi-r7770-2pmd1gd5-oc.html
GFX2:     MSI Radeon R7770-2PMD1GD5/OC - 1GB - PCI-E             http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/303903/msi-r7770-2pmd1gd5-oc.html
Memory:   Kingston ValueRAM 16 GB DDR3-1333Mhz Quad-Kit        http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/302302/kingston-kvr1333d3n9k4-16g.html
PSU:      Cooler Master - Silent Pro M1000 - 1000 Watt            http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/247888/cooler-master-silent-pro-m1000.html#tab:prices
Case:     Cooler Master HAF 912 Plus                                          http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/265047/cooler-master-haf-912-plus.html#tab:prices
Cooling:   2x 120mm 1x 200mm                            Ive used Cooler Master Fans, red LED. But you can pick others to your choosing ofcourse.

Got up to 1000 Euro for this setup.

Edit2:
Changed it to a full PC without HDD's and Operating system (Windows, Linux etc etc)


http://i.imgur.com/yep9m.jpg
This is my PC by the way, just so you can see how nice the PC case is. And how easy it is to replace HDD's no need for screws etc etc. If you put in an extra 50 to 100 euro you could add some extra cooling. Just to be on the save side etc etc. Ive done that last summer added new CPU cooler, aftermarket GPU cooler and new case and fans. Its up to 30 celcius cooler since i done that.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2012, 06:24:34 PM by WildStyleZx89 »

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 08:26:13 PM »
That shit is pretty obvious dont you think. Hence why i did not mention it. If you want 2 run 2 graphics cards u need 2x x16. Also another fact would be that if you use Sli or Crossfire the second card is simply there for backup and mostly uses just 20 % of its capacity to assist the primary card. Could be different now i don't know that. And what ever you where talking about ive got no idea. All i know is that PCI-E x16 is for graphics cards. never heard of any PCI-E x16 slot that would make a graphics card run slower than supposed to.

you are rather a wannabe if you never heard of it.

also that you never heard of it is just another proof that it is NOT OBVIOUS. thats why i mentioned it.
its VERY often the case that even some "high end" motherboards with 8 PCI-e slots can only do 16/8/8/8/8/8/8/8. they can also run as 16/16/16/16/8/0/0/0 of course.

those motherboards are listed as ones with 8x PCI-E x16 which means that 8x PCI-E x16 doesnt mean that your motherboard is awesome because the number of lanes is what matters most here.

so stop denying that you failed you suckface, because.. YOU FAILED SUCKFACE:)

btw the mobo you suggested to fara is trash because it has 3 PCI-E x16 slots but only 16 lanes overall. which means either 16/0/0 or 8/8/0 or 8/4/4. pretty pathetic for a mobo with 3 slots, dont you think, mister all knowing master PC pimper? funny.. you just said that you know how to select a motherboard because you know what PCI-E x16 means :'(
« Last Edit: March 27, 2012, 08:29:49 PM by BikeDriver »
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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 09:00:56 PM »
don't hijack my topic with insulting people. I came here for help, and that's what I would like. I already mentioned I have absolutely no idea what 'lanes' mean, so I'm not interested in why you know that much more about it.
I just want a high-end pc for a decent price.

Another question: my HDD's are SATA2, should I also upgrade to SATA3 or what's the benefit of it?

I think it's pretty clear now that I won't be using 2 GPU's as you both suggested to buy new ones. I want to still use my GTX550 Ti, because that was the latest (not even all games supported it) when I bought it last year. I highly doubt that it's gone out of fashion or lacks performance these days..

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 11:57:25 AM »
btw the mobo you suggested to fara is trash because it has 3 PCI-E x16 slots but only 16 lanes overall. which means either 16/0/0 or 8/8/0 or 8/4/4. pretty pathetic for a mobo with 3 slots, dont you think, mister all knowing master PC pimper? funny.. you just said that you know how to select a motherboard because you know what PCI-E x16 means :'(

Never mentioned or said that im a "all knowing PC pimper" , and never said i knew how to select a motherboard. I said i know that a graphics card needs a PCI-e x16 slot to be able to operate. I know that a second graphics card would most likely run at 20 % capacity because its only there to assist when the primary card has used all its capacity and that goes for almost all PC setups. Eitherway i know enough to help Faraday out to select some options for his upgrade.

Anyway in my honest opinion you start to become more and more of an asshole these days bikedriver.... I never even tried to insult you in this topic and yet you insult me on purpose through all your replies.

Back on topic:

Sata 3 would be a good idea to upgrade to. I have a motherboard that supports Sata 2 and Sata 3. But it would be more interesting to use a SSD for the operating system (maybe a few games on it aswell) and use some SATA 3 HDD's. That stuff would probably run into the 400 euro's though alltogether so you would have about 600 left for the rest of the PC which would be enough considering you dont need a new graphics card as you said. Anyway the benefit would be the difference between speed. Sata 2 runs at 3 Gbps and the Sata 3 does 6 Gbps transfer speed. Sata 2 is also known as Sata 300 and Sata 3 as Sata600. Benefit would basically be higher speeds with transfer, read and write.

If you want you could buy a second GTX550 TI of the same brand and same make/model So that it will be almost identical to the one you have (i say almost identical because not 1 piece of hardware is the same, not even Memory modules from the same batch and series)

Just replace the 2 video cards on the list i gave you, and change the motherboard to something bikedriver would pick.

Heres the list of the new setup with the GTX550 TI
CPU:      AMD FX 8150 Black Edition 3.6GHz 8MB AM3+              http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/292705/amd-fx-8150-black-edition.html
Mobo:    ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional                          http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/286666/asrock-fatal1ty-990fx-professional.html
GFX:      Club 3D GeForce GTX 550Ti                                    (Could be different brand like Matrox or another brand that has a GTX 550 TI GPU chipset) Just make sure its the same you got right now
Memory:   Kingston ValueRAM 16 GB DDR3-1333Mhz Quad-Kit        http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/302302/kingston-kvr1333d3n9k4-16g.html
PSU:      Cooler Master - Silent Pro M1000 - 1000 Watt            http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/247888/cooler-master-silent-pro-m1000.html#tab:prices
Cooling:    You got to see about that stuff yourself as you want to keep your case. Add extra fans if you have open slots for it. If not you might want to invest in a new case with good airflow and cable management. To optimize the cooling capabilities because you dont want to run a PC to hot nowadays specially with the summer comming up. Last summer my PC ran up to 65 celsius on graphics card and 60 celsius on CPU. With the new cooling its running 30c cooler on load and idle even cooler.

As i understand it right now, the mobo on this list does 16 lanes 16 lanes and 4 lanes eitherway ill let bikedriver bitch at me again about that if im wrong.

If you dont want the second graphics card make sure to change the Powersupply to something like 700 - 750 Watts (could be to much still im not entirely sure how much your graphics card uses at the moment. The new CPU runs at 125 Watts i believe which is pretty standard for most CPU's of AMD

Let me know exactly what you would like and what you dont want. And ill probably be able to help you out even more.

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 03:03:05 PM »
As i understand it right now, the mobo on this list does 16 lanes 16 lanes and 4 lanes eitherway ill let bikedriver bitch at me again about that if im wrong.

no this time you are right my dear motherfucking friend :). the Asrock Fatal1ty 990FX can do 16/16/4.

also i basically agree to the rest you have said. but i wouldnt buy a SATA ssd. i would go for a PCIe one like OCZ RevoDrive. those are extremely awesome. also i dont think he needs sata 3 for his movies and stuff.

also i missed that he has a GTX 550 right now. i would keep it until you cant play the latest game on max. settings. then buy new one. i wouldnt buy a second GTX 550.
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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 04:01:15 PM »
Sorry to go offtopic, but couldnt resist. :P  Here it goes again. BikeDriver vs WildStyleZx89, the tech war.  :D

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 05:05:40 PM »
Sorry to go offtopic, but couldnt resist. :P  Here it goes again. BikeDriver vs WildStyleZx89, the tech war.  :D

Theres no war m8 if there was it would have been alot worse. Which it isnt cuz im distancing myself from his insults cuz i simply cant be bothered. And Bikedriver is not like the other idiots (665, Gryphus) Hes a special idiot >:D

Ontopic:
I dont know much about SSD versus HDD yet or the PCI or SATA versions of it. All i know is that SSD is a shitload faster.

I do agree with bikedriver about not buying a second GTX550 but if you really wanted it go for it. Plus by the time you do need a new graphics card to max out games. Theres alot of newer cards out at pretty much the same price as the one you got now (about 150 euro) So it would be better to buy new cards then or just the 1 awesome card that has better performance (about 300 or 400 euro).

Btw buy this instead: 3200 GB PCIe SDD at 19.000 euro
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Solid_State_Drive_PCI_Express/OCZ/ZD4CM88-FH-3.2T/615533/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Harddisks&l2=Solid+State+Drives&l3=mini-PCIe+%2F+PCIe

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2012, 05:24:02 PM »
Okay, thanks you guys, this is a lot of info which can help me. When I'm on holiday, I'm going to get a better look into all of it ( in one or 2 weeks ) and I'll buy my stuff.

DVD Burner and other goofy stuffs comes later.

Allthough I'll probably go for SATA3, since I've never experienced any problem in speed with my current SATA2 disks..
Can't find it at the moment, but does the mobo also support SATA2? I'll probably still use my current disks, but just as storage devices like for music/images/movies. I'll buy one SATA3 disk and partition it to hold my system and games disk.

Also, I have this one store where I buy all of my stuff, and most of the time they got what I want, but I see they don't have the ASrock Fatality. I'll look up a replacement (when I'm about to buy) and post a link here to see if I'm not buying anything stupid).

Thanks!

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2012, 07:30:11 PM »
Its backwards compatible Faraday.

If the SATA III (6 gbps aka SATA600 ) Motherboard detects a SATA II (3 Gbps aka SATA300) HDD it will automatically use it as SATA II. Anyway if you buy it all in a shop just be sure to ask for that. And google is also your best friend.

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Re: Updating my desktop pc!
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 08:34:37 PM »
Misunderstood what you wanted at first, if you need help PM me.