Updating my desktop pc!

[Faraday]

And google is also your best friend.

lol I know but googling all of that stuff takes me quite a while and I don't have alot of free time, so I thought about it and I know there are some nerds in here, so why not ask for help?
Anyways, I appreciate your help and your long posts, I'll be sure to check in here before I make any purchases!

[BikeDriver]

haha he called you nerd, wild nerd

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

.. I know there are some nerds ..

haha he called you nerd, wild nerd

nerds plural of the word nerd.

In layman words, theres more than 1 nerd on here.

Seeing as you posted in this topic aswell bikedriver im pretty sure he meant the both of us .

So congrats my fellow nerd bikedriver

Ontopic:
Yea just let us nerds know what you are going to do, which setup you are picking out, brands etc etc

Also in one of your previous posts you mentioned that you buy all your stuff in 1 place. Can you give me the website of that place so i can scout out the goodies they are selling. See if i can get something from it and post back here so i can let the other nerd aka bikedriver know and see what he thinks.

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

Sorry for double post


I found this setup for Faraday and i would like to see what you think of it Bikedriver (and other nerds alike)

CPU:         AMD FX 8150 (3.6GHz) 8MB - 8 Cores - With Cooler (FD8150FRGUBOX)                              (One piece of awesomeness)
MOBO:      ASUS Crosshair V Formula (Socket AM3-AMD 990FX-ATX-DDR3) (CROSSHAIR V FORMULA)     (Supports the 8 cores CPU i have picked out)
RAM:         Kingston 16GB (4x 4GB) 1600MHz DDR3 HyperX Lifetime Warranty (KHX1600C9D3K4/16GX)
PSU:         Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750W V2 750 Watt (CMPSU-750TXV2EU)                                 (Sli ready, Should be enough for a second GTX550 ti)

GFX:         ASUS Ati Radeon HD7850 DirectCU II 2GB GDDR5 (90-C1CRS0-L0UAY0BZ)                           (If you decide to get a new GFX and not use the GTX550 this would be a nice choice)

[BikeDriver]

looks fine to me besides this:

he doesnt need 16 GB ram, neither a 750 watt PSU nor such an expensive mobo.

RAM:
the choice is alright but 8 GB ram will be fairly enough to run any game in the next 5 years. when games come which need more RAM there will be DDR4 already so its waste of monies (even if ram is cheap nowadays he will never need more than 8 GB in the next 5 years)
buy instead:
Kingston HyperX DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
~50 instead of ~100 monies

PSU:
he decided not to do SLI so a PSU around 500 watt will be fairly enough too
buy a
be quiet! Pure Power L7 530W
i use the same. i even did a SLI with radeon 5770 and it worked fine.
~ 60 instead of ~100 monies

MOBO:
he doesnt need 4 PCIe x16 slots. he (and we too) decided that SLI is not needed. so there is no absolutely no point in buying an expensive motherboard. buy something for around 90 monies. for example:
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3. as long as you neither want to do SLI nor overclocking bullshit then you wont need anything more expensive. the motherboard has 16/4 lanes so for SLI its useless but for single graphics card its awesome.
~ 90 instead of ~230 monies


i would buy some SSD with the spared cash (~230 € monies). for example:
OCZ RevoDrive3 PCIe SSD 120 GB
that costs around 300 monies but it is totally worth it. trusted me:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

have fucking fun!

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

looks fine to me besides this:

he doesnt need 16 GB ram, neither a 750 watt PSU nor such an expensive mobo.

He does for the things he uses it for. Video editting, music making/editting other stuff.
Not only would the CPU be 125Watts the GTX550 uses around 400watts (not to mention the other parts) So constantly maxing out a shitty PSU at 530watts is surely going to bottleneck the system.

RAM:
the choice is alright but 8 GB ram will be fairly enough to run any game in the next 5 years. when games come which need more RAM there will be DDR4 already so its waste of monies (even if ram is cheap nowadays he will never need more than 8 GB in the next 5 years)
buy instead:
Kingston HyperX DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit
~50 instead of ~100 monies

I doubt he will keep the system you suggest the same in the next 5 years. He will most likely upgrade RAM and GPU in those 5 years. So a better PSU and 16 gigs of ram would be a good idea.

PSU:
he decided not to do SLI so a PSU around 500 watt will be fairly enough too
buy a
be quiet! Pure Power L7 530W
i use the same. i even did a SLI with radeon 5770 and it worked fine.
~ 60 instead of ~100 monies

I know that he decided not to do SLI, but he might decide to use SLi in the future with either a second GTX550 or 2 new cards. Plus the HD5770 runs at 300 or 350 watts which is considered low if you see how much Nvidia cards use and high end cards even more. Plus the be quiet brand is a low to mid end PSU at best. They tend to say they have more Wattage when in fact they only provide 500 instead of mentioned 530. Go for Coolermaster Corsair or Antec instead those are performance PSU's or even OCZ

MOBO:
he doesnt need 4 PCIe x16 slots. he (and we too) decided that SLI is not needed. so there is no absolutely no point in buying an expensive motherboard. buy something for around 90 monies. for example:
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3. as long as you neither want to do SLI nor overclocking bullshit then you wont need anything more expensive. the motherboard has 16/4 lanes so for SLI its useless but for single graphics card its awesome.
~ 90 instead of ~230 monies

The Motherboard might have been a little to much, maybe the ASUS M5A88-V EVO (Socket AM3+-AMD 880G-ATX-DDR3) (90-MIBFZ0-G0EAY0GZ)
would have been a much better choice.

BTW always go for ATX they give you the most space to put cards and what not on it. Plus overall performance on ATX boards are higher than the uATX or MicroATX boards.

Problem is. Some motherboards support only different kinds of RAM speed depending on which typ of processor they use. And some CPU's only support certain RAM speeds as well.
It was an easy choice picking out the best motherboard.

i would buy some SSD with the spared cash (~230 € monies). for example:
OCZ RevoDrive3 PCIe SSD 120 GB
that costs around 300 monies but it is totally worth it. trusted me:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

have fucking fun!

I would actually wait till prices drop down and more mid end to high end SSD's are actually affordable for everyone. Like let it drop down to atleast 200 or 175 euro for your suggested SSD.

Eitherway he said he wants performance and not go back to the low to mid end crap he uses now. Hence why i went a little overboard.

[BikeDriver]

i just accidently deleted my message -.- fuck.

whatever lets make this short:

wildfriend no offend but you really seem to have no idea what you are talking about. you talk down on brands only because they are cheap without giving any real reasons. why should he buy an expensive PSU? why should he buy a more expensive mobo than which i recommended? you also made up the whole thing about 500 watt instead of 530 in your mind. prove me wrong with a link. be quiet is one fucking awesome and cheap brand. i have no idea why you lie to talk down on them for absolutely no reason. i use one of their PSUs for 4 years now, computer sometimes 24/7 running. i cant hear it and i never had ANY trouble with it EVER. also just take a look at the ratings by the users. be quiet PSUs are no shitty crap.

also editing tools do not need a lot of ram. programs to make () music neither. the only programs that do need a lot of ram are virtual machines. the stuff you mentioned doesnt. rendering and stuff like that needs a powerful CPU not a lot of ram. i guess you got yourself confused here.

when the time comes where people need more than 8 gig there will be DDR4, as i said.

also 400 watt for a GTX 550? wtf? are you crazy? that thing uses around 120 watt at max. those 400 watt are the recommended minimum for the PSU if you use the card.
also a HD 5770 doesnt use 300 - 350 watt (again WTF???) it uses barely more than 100.

so why should he buy a bigger PSU if he only needs about 300 watt for all his stuff? much to learn you have..

and why should he buy a ASUS M5A88-V EVO instead of GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3?
because asus is the more popular brand? they both run at 16/4 lanes so there is actually no big difference between them (besides the price ).

wildfrend i really always enjoyed to discuss with you but this time you pretty much failed constantly.
you should not try to enforce yourself unless you really know what you are talking about. and you really dont seem to.

faraday for you again my recomendation:

Task	Item	Power	Price
PSU	be quiet! Pure Power L7 530W	+530Watt	60€
CPU	AMD FX 8150	-125 Watt	220€
RAM	Kingston HyperX DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit	-10Watt	50€
SSD	OCZ RevoDrive3 PCIe SSD 120 GB	-10Watt	300€
Motherboard	GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3	-10Watt	90€
Current Graphics Card	GTX550 Ti	-120Watt	0€
Your old HDD/DVD etc.	-	-50Watt	0€
Overall	Mega PC	+205 Watt	720€

thats quite perfect for 720€... you should also buy a proper CPU fan and some cool new case. but you can surely stay below 800 € monies easily.

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

Made me crack up when you said lets make it short and post an entire review xD

When i went on my search for a PC, i went to about 6 different shops, went to PC forums etc etc for help. When i got to one of the shops i had my mind set on one of those Be Quiet PSU's as it was recommended by 1 other shop. Then some guy stumbles into the shop with his PC saying his PSU burned out for the second time. Both being the exact same PSU's i was going to get. Either call that a coincidence or just stupid. But that guys PC system should have handled it. Thats when i stepped away from be Quiet.

You dont want to mess about with PSU's i bought a 650 watt PSU for this PC i have now i was recommended a 600 watt one of the same brand. And my PC peaks at 550 watt when on full load and 600 on full load when using OC settings. Which tells me i done good by getting the extra 50 watts. I also now know that its better to have a higher PSU wattage than your PC actually uses. When the PSU constantly is reaching its max it will heat up and burn out sooner than expected. Ive also asked my dad (hes a retired electrician) about what would be better to have something constantly run on its full potential or something run at half potential and some leg room. Guess what he said the half potential one ofcourse...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5870,2422-20.html

I have a 5870. On full load it runs at about 400 Watts (its slightly overclocked) With that comes my CPU at 125 watts (more when overclocked) And then the rest of my PC.

Most graphics cards run a pretty high wattage these days, and the more speed they get the more power they will consume.

Powerconsumption on his GTX 550:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/15/nvidia-geforce-gtx-550-ti-1gb-review/10

Powerconsumption on the HD5770: (alot more than ur barely 100 watts right hmm ?)
http://www.techspot.com/review/209-ati-radeon-hd-5770/page11.html


I would say 750 might be overkill unless you plan a future SLI or Crossfire setup. But 600watt is deffo the minimum for him

Ive actually had a Gigabyte motherboard myself, and i was happy with it. I just think he can do better with possible upgrades in the future.

Anyway when it comes down to the RAM, you need to both pick out the CPU and motherboard very carefully. Not only should the motherboard support the RAM speed. The CPU needs to aswell.

Heres a fact for you: * AMD FX Series CPU on this motherboard supports up to DDR3 1866MHz as its standard memory frequency.*  If your motherboard supported like 2133Mhz and you picked out 2133Mhz RAM it would only run at 1866Mhz as thats what the CPU would allow. Making the RAMs potential useless.

The gigabyte board would be the better choice, but when you see that it has 2 Bios setups, incase 1 bios crashes or what ever the second one takes over. Its a good failsafe but also tells me Gigabyte is not that confident about their BIOS chipset choices...

So yea think again before accusing me of not knowing what i talk about when it comes to power consumption.... You dont even know how much yours even uses.

One last bit here: Recommending SSD now is stupid, It might be faster etc etc but the pricetag is seriously not convincing for people on a budget. He is better off using the HDDs for now (as do i) And wait for prices to drop and new SSD releases. 300 bucks for 120 gig with much more speed < 120 bucks for 2TB and less speed. Yea i got my options weighed.

[BikeDriver]

Made me crack up when you said lets make it short and post an entire review xD

yea i kinda lost control

i dont believe the test you have found.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20100226/the-real-power-consumption-of-73-graphics-cards/

here it says about 300 watt for the biggest dual gpu cards, about 110 for hd 5770.

on alternate there also always is the power consumption for each graphics card listed.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/15/nvidia-geforce-gtx-550-ti-1gb-review/10

here they say 200 watt for 5770 again.. i dont quite get it. i believed the stuff they wrote on alternate. maybe its because of the GPU fan? maybe they forced it (=the FAN) to run on 100% on some tests?

faradays PSU would have more than 200 watts left unused. i still dont think he needs a bigger PSU.

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

Like i said, having something run on full constantly is not good specially not when it comes to the Powersupply you want to have something left unused otherwise you would stress the PSU to much and it will heat up and burn out. If you have GFX of 300watt and a 140watt CPU get atleast a 600watt Powersupply it will last longer.


By the way you need to look at load and idle. On idle (when its not doing much) they dont consume much, But when in use like at about 80% they will use up to 300 each some even 400, dual cards will use even more. Why else would they sell PSUs ranging from 500 watts to up to 1200 watts. The 400 to 500 ones are for low to mid end PCs, 500 to 750 mid to high end and the 750 to 1200 mostly for highend PCs. That have like 1, 2 or even 3 or 4 video cards.

Anyway you need to check benchmarks. Alternate gets the information from the manufacturers which is not always correct. You need to know the power consumption on load and add about 50 watts on top of that because not every card is the same.

[BikeDriver]

you are making this stuff up.

i trust the watts that are mentioned on alternate. who knows what that retards did in their benchmarks. just look how different the results are on different sites. those guys just had no idea what they were doing.

alternate says a GTX 550 Ti uses less than 150 watt at max and i do believe that. who should know better than the manufacturer? i doubt that they lie about such important information. this discussion doesnt lead anywhere since we both are stubborn about this. faraday has to decide what way to go

i would buy cheaper mobo, psu and less ram but a SSD instead. you would go for a more expensive mobo, more powerful psu and more ram (which i think is just waste of monies).

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

You obviously do not know what your talking about.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-550ti/specifications

Card uses a max of 116Watts

But more importantly The system would use 400 watts minimum. And thats without the CPUs wattage.

And a minimum 450 Watt is required for the HD5770 Which is also without the CPU.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5770/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5770-overview.aspx#3

Im not making this stuff up. Ive been looking into this stuff far more than you realize. When i was upgrading my old PC and years later when i bought and build this new self build PC. When you check the benchmarks and then the recommended Power supply wattage amount on the official site. Its close together. If you think im still making this up.

The results are different on those sites, and as i said cards with the same chipset from different brands be it a Matrox 550 or MSI 550, one could be using 400Watts other could use 300Watts. The slightest difference in memory speed, processor speed can increase or decrease the power consumption.

Ive just checked Alternate, And i noticed that they use the same descriptions on different brand models on the cards with the same chipset.

Those benchmarks on tomshardware are legit. Its a official PC forum thing. I would trust them anyday over a website like alternate who just sells the product.

They test each card between 2 or 4 hours. Enough time to get good readings. I doubt alternate tests their products. They just slap the label on they get from Nvidia.


Next time i would not go by what alternate says but what the actual company says that made the product. Which is far more accurate.

[BikeDriver]

so they recommend a 450 Watt power supply (probably with a safety of 150 free watts) for a single GPU. faraday is going to go single GPU so why not buy a 530 watt PSU?

"because it will live longer." yea sure but why should it? the 530 watt PSU is not going to run on 100%. maybe 60-70% but not more. you are still making up that those 550 gtx uses 300-400 watt. thats utter bullshit and im NEVER going to believe that. why are you trying so hard to talk faraday into taking the more expensive PSU?

[EnzoMortelli]

so they recommend a 450 Watt power supply (probably with a safety of 150 free watts) for a single GPU. faraday is going to go single GPU so why not buy a 530 watt PSU?

"because it will live longer." yea sure but why should it? the 530 watt PSU is not going to run on 100%. maybe 60-70% but not more. you are still making up that those 550 gtx uses 300-400 watt. thats utter bullshit and im NEVER going to believe that. why are you trying so hard to talk faraday into taking the more expensive PSU?

Cuz he works for the PSU-mafia.

[[eVo]PvtBenny]

so they recommend a 450 Watt power supply (probably with a safety of 150 free watts) for a single GPU. faraday is going to go single GPU so why not buy a 530 watt PSU?

"because it will live longer." yea sure but why should it? the 530 watt PSU is not going to run on 100%. maybe 60-70% but not more. you are still making up that those 550 gtx uses 300-400 watt. thats utter bullshit and im NEVER going to believe that. why are you trying so hard to talk faraday into taking the more expensive PSU?

You have a HD5770 right? Go benchmark it and see for yourself how much it actually uses.... You will be amazed. You obviously know nothing about power consumption. Even when i come with the official link to the Nvidia GTX550 website for proof you dont believe it. Well jokes on you bikedriver. You go ahead and burn out your PC.

For a system with a single GeForce GTX 550 Ti NVIDIA recommends a minimum of a 400 Watt or greater power supply with a minimum +12 Volt rail continuous current rating of 24 Amps or greater and with at least one 6-pin PCI Express supplementary power connector.  The CPU comes ontop of that and the other parts aswell, HDD, fans, DVD/Bluray drives and RAM. He would easily reach 600 Watts all together. Which you should give a little bit more leg room so a powersupply of 650 is perfect.

Why else would Nvidia recommend a 400watt powersupply for the GPU alone when it says it only uses 116 Watts. Simply because of the continues current rating of 24 amps it needs on the +12volt rail. The Wattage doesn't matter the Amps do. And the Be Quiet PurePower 530 only has 22 Amps on each rail which is not enough, the GTX550ti requires atleast 24 Amps or more.

I thought you knew about this but you clearly don't.