Suggestion concerning Gangs and more

[BikeDriver]

I heard you guys liked serious discussions, so let's turn this into one. In the following I will try my best to explain my hatred and disgust against [R] and Rustlers on LW in general, without the use of cynicism or too many other rhetorical devices.

I still haven't found the staff member who comes up with a valid argument contra this suggestion. "I don't like Rustlers shooting me" is not a valid argument. "Some people hate Rustlers" is also not a valid argument. -.-

Perhaps i am reading wrong but i haven't seen any staff member imply here they dislike rustlers shooting them nor that people hates rustlers. May i see the quote where this is written, please? i'll deliver my argument if you deliver the quote.

Seems like made up asseverations are starting to become a new thing.

Spitfire, whether any staff member has said it in this topic is not even important, because it's pretty much a given fact. Yes, nobody but me dares to talk honestly about it but everybody (but [R]) feels absolutely the same way, when they are honest to themselves and are not trying to show off how tolerant they are.

You disagree? Then let me ask you a very legit question:
You like racing, don't you? If I remember correctly you hold the record for all around san andreas. What would you have thought if a rustler came by shooting you 60 seconds before the finish line in that perfect lap of yours? You would have thought "You fucking piece of fucking fuck". You would not have been happily thinking "Yay, great [R] clen having epic fun. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

The same shit happens when you are trying to get from one point to another and some bored [R] member starts shooting you. You think "fuck off". You don't think "Yay let's stop and shoot at it for 15 minutes until either I run out of ammo or he gets a new one and we start over again. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

Everything would be fine if you could get your revenge on the guy who did this to you. But you can't. As the following shows:

For the following comparison I reduce LW to these four basic DM elements: Tank, DB, On Foot, Rustler.
Shit means, the fight is most likely only enjoyable for only one participant and/or ineffective bullshit.
Good means, the fight is possibly enjoyable for both participants and effective in both directions:

vs.		Tank		DB		On Foot		Rustler
Tank		Good fight		Good fight		Good fight		Shit fight
DB		Good fight		Good fight		Good fight		Shit fight
On Foot		Good fight		Good fight		Good fight		Shit fight
Rustler		Shit fight		Shit fight		Shit fight		Good fight

Now this should make clear why the staff doesn't want to increase the amount of rustlers, as the only thing you can hope for in a fight against a herd of rustler nerds is that they at some point run out of rustlers or lose interest. But nowadays, they won't. Ever. Every airport and AREA69 are packed with rustlers. [R] has as the only clan their own clan base, packed with rustlers and now they even got 2 repair bays.

Of course, Qwerbeet will now argue: "Then get a rustler yourself!"
But that is EXACTLY what he wants, because he will bash you to the ground, as this is the only thing he has been training for, for the last 4 years. [R] are not defeatable for people who haven't spent 1.000 hours in the fucking plane. There are multiple effective ways to fight anything. The rustler is the ONLY element in the entire server where this isn't the case.

Qwerbeet thinks he is some sort of knight, as he spents so much time with his "ineffective" weapon. But if you are honest, what he does is the most pathetic thing you could possibly ever do on this server. Forcing everybody who you are fighting to adapt to your extremely annoying playstyle if they want to somehow be able to fight you effectively. It is hard to find a good comparinson, as there is no activity on LW that is as pathetic, as the table above implies but I'll try my best:

It is like waiting in the duel arena, being able to force anybody on the server to dildo-duel you to the death after you have spent 1.000 hours training to fight with a shitty dildo. This is in a nutshell exactly what [R] has been doing for the last few years.

[enkei]

Guys...



It's called wrastling.

Sorry, USA inside joke.

[Runey]

@BikeDriver

1)Nobody really knows what R's are planning to do with these,neither is your job to find out,as we haven't promoted you to ,Mr.Agent Rank' or something,yet.I myself wouldn't really care if they added few more rustlers and helis at each airport,as i have already mentioned.This is what we don't agree about.

2)You're right about the race ruining fact,though.Nobody ever enjoyed a race which included rustlers ruining your fun in.Even if you try to do your best to, for e.g.(like Spitfire did), make a new record in All around SA.That's perfect chance for rustler ruinners to destroy your vehicle,and to possibly kill you.That's something we agree about.

3)Also,you're right about the fact R's are the only clan that have got their own base,made especially for them.But,we're not talking about the normal RW and WW clans(clans with skilled players on foot),this is R,Rustler team,which recruits only those interested in rustlers,which also requires skills(flying).
So,generally i don't personally have anything against them,neither their base,cause i don't really need one.And that's what i wanna ask you.Why would you yell and argue about,when you could simply not care,and not recognize it,like it doesn't even exist(ignore)? Eh?
Leave it as it is,staff is going to decide what's right and what's wrong here.

P.s That's a nice chart you did draw there. xD

[EnzoMortelli]

Geez BikeDriver, when did you turn into a whiney pussy.

I heard you guys liked serious discussions, so let's turn this into one. /*totally not cynic*/ In the following I will try my best to explain my hatred and disgust against [R] and Rustlers on LW in general, without the use of cynicism or too many other rhetorical devices.

No one cares. Stay on topic you muppet.

Spitfire, whether any staff member has said it in this topic is not even important, because it's pretty much a given fact. Yes, nobody but me dares to talk honestly about it but everybody /* not rly */ (but [R]) feels absolutely the same way, when they are honest to themselves and are not trying to show off how tolerant they are.

I doubt that seriously, this is just a groundless allegation you did not even have any possibility to research for. Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while. Players you couldn't know about since you're inactive. The server has changed a lot in the recent past and if you can't handle it it's time for you to move on. All of the changes that are still online to date did benefit the server through increased player activity, whereas your mourning isn't helping anyone.

You disagree? Then let me ask you a very legit question: //such legit wow
You like racing, don't you? If I remember correctly you hold the record for all around san andreas. What would you have thought if a rustler came by shooting you 60 seconds before the finish line in that perfect lap of yours? You would have thought "You fucking piece of fucking fuck". You would not have been happily thinking "Yay, great [R] clen having epic fun. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

Welcome to LW's!

The same shit happens when you are trying to get from one point to another and some bored [R] member starts shooting you. You think "fuck off". You don't think "Yay let's stop and shoot at it for 15 minutes until either I run out of ammo or he gets a new one and we start over again. God bless the rustlers, this is so enjoyable".

Enjoy your stay here m8. Type /register to save your stats and money.

Everything would be fine if you could get your revenge on the guy who did this to you. But you can't. As the following shows:

Get rekt noob. Seriously. Maybe you can't get revenge, but take a look at my death stats and you'll see how perfectly possible that is.

For the following comparison I reduce LW to these four basic DM elements: Tank, DB, On Foot, Rustler.
Shit means, the fight is most likely only enjoyable for only one participant and/or ineffective bullshit.
Good means, the fight is possibly enjoyable for both participants and effective in both directions:

vs.		Tank		DB		On Foot		Rustler
Tank		Good fight		Shit fight		Shit fight		Shit fight
DB		Shit fight		Good fight		Shit fight		Shit fight
On Foot		Shit fight		Shit fight		Good fight		Shit fight
Rustler		Shit fight		Shit fight		Shit fight		Good fight

//fixed it for you <3

Hilarious? funny? yes.
True? well researched? no.

Tank vs db is exactly very much fun yea. For the tank. Unless you're talking about passenger db in a driverless car. Which is disallowed.

Now this should make clear why the staff doesn't want to increase the amount of rustlers,

Mediocre work on pretending to know what staff decided and why, gratz.

as the only thing you can hope for in a fight against a herd of rustler nerds is that they at some point run out of rustlers or lose interest. But nowadays, they won't. Ever. Every airport and AREA69 are packed with rustlers. [R] has as the only clan their own clan base, packed with rustlers and now they even got 2 repair bays.

Maybe you should rather hope to finally grow a pair of balls.

Let me quickly count through for you, since you don't seem to have done that:
LV Airport - total planes: 13, of which are rustlers: 3 (current state, before it was 16/5) PACKED
LS International - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 4 PACKED AS HELL
SF Easter Bay Airport - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 3 LITERALLY BURSTING
Verdant Meadows Abandoned Airfield - total planes: 8, of which are rustlers: 2 IT IS EXPLODING OF RUSTLERS
Area 69 Airstrip - total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 2 DUDE MORE THAN 60% LITERALLY THIS IS TOO MUCH!
SF Hill Farm (refered to as R-Base) - total planes: 4, of which are rustlers: 4 DUDE FFS, I CANT TAKE THAT MANY
and you forgot to mention
SF Naval Base Aircraft Carrier: total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 3. WTFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Of course, Qwerbeet will now argue: "Then get a rustler yourself!"
But that is EXACTLY what he wants, /*no shit, who the fuck argues things they don't want*/ because he will bash you to the ground, as this is the only thing he has been training for, for the last 4 years. [R] are not defeatable for people who haven't spent 1.000 hours in the fucking plane.  There are multiple effective ways to fight anything. The rustler is the ONLY element in the entire server where this isn't the case.

Qwerbeet thinks he is some sort of knight, as he spents so much time with his "ineffective" weapon. But if you are honest, what he does is the most pathetic thing you could possibly ever do on this server. Forcing everybody who you are fighting to adapt to your extremely annoying playstyle if they want to somehow be able to fight you effectively. It is hard to find a good comparinson, as there is no activity on LW that is as pathetic, as the table above implies but I'll try my best:

It is like waiting in the duel arena, being able to force anybody on the server to dildo-duel you to the death after you have spent 1.000 hours training to fight with a shitty dildo. This is in a nutshell exactly what [R] has been doing for the last few years.

I wouldn't call a weapon that can make you rage like this 'ineffective'. We Rs aren't knights, we're aint even fighters in that sense. R members are pilots. And what do pilots do? They fucking pilot planes. If you got a problem with that then it's yours. We don't force anybody to fly a plane, that's just utter bullshit.

Also, you better be sweeping at your own door before starting to go off at others. You've trained RW and Helikilling for years before [R]. You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW just because you want to prove that you could destroy us on the ground. No need for that, unlike you we have the common sense to know that everyone has a different taste and is good in a particular field which is not necessarily the same.

You know they say people assume other people's behaviour by 99% off of their own. And your post was literally the best example for that i have seen in my entire lifetime. Maybe it will make you famous in Psychology someday.

[EnzoMortelli]

Spitfire you sure are bored lol.

Thanks for recounting my numbers, did it from what i remembered yesterday, and since the totals are higher it somehow succeeds a bit more to prove the point i wanted to make with it. Propably you got me wrong since i did not intend to talk about the total number of rustlers but that's ok since i propably got Bikedriver wrong in the first place. I looked it up in the bikdriv<>english dictionary and turns out 'Every Airport is packed' actually means 'The total ammount is too high'. My bad.

[EnzoMortelli]

Good that we could clear all misunderstandings.

[BikeDriver]

K, this took some time to read.

First off, Spitfire thank you. I've got nothing to add, besides that your suggested changes to the server would most likely bring me back to the list of fully actives. Glad you enjoyed my post.

Secondly Enzo... Posts and insults on such a low level and your attempts to twist my words are not like you. I seriously excepted a little more effort by you to make me rage. Maybe you are really just at your limit. I'll leave out all the personal insults and focus on the few meaningful things you have tried to express.

No one cares. Stay on topic
I am perfectly on topic and you have proven how fucking much you do care.

Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while.
I am not judging people who fly a rustler once every 10 hours. I am judging people who spent 9 out of 10 hours hiding in rustlers.

Maybe you can't get revenge, but take a look at my death stats and you'll see how perfectly possible that is.
Your K/D ratio is not important as you are and you will always be a bad player and you are the only [R] who spents far more time on the ground than in the air. The K/D ratio of any other [R] is not important either. The rustler is absolutely useless to kill people. It's only purpose is to annoy people. They are like mosquitoes, the most hated insect on this planet. Hard to catch, hard to kill, not deadly but you just hate it when they are near you.

Tank vs db is exactly very much fun yea. For the tank.
You need many attempts in order to take out the tank with db. Or you need a few attempts if you are decent on a motorcycle, as there is the possibility to always stay behinds the tanks turrets. Something a player of your level would never been capable of. So DB vs. Tank is somewhat balanced, as fluffy only spawns once a week. But all it takes to destroy a tank is one rustler and 30 seconds of time. The remaining content of your version of the chart is too shitty for me to argue against.

*counting rustlers and writting a shitload of bullshit*
Let me quickly count through for you, since you don't seem to have done that:
LV Airport - total planes: 13, of which are rustlers: 3 (current state, before it was 16/5) PACKED
LS International - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 4 PACKED AS HELL
SF Easter Bay Airport - total planes: 10, of which are rustlers: 3 LITERALLY BURSTING
Verdant Meadows Abandoned Airfield - total planes: 8, of which are rustlers: 2 IT IS EXPLODING OF RUSTLERS
Area 69 Airstrip - total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 2 DUDE MORE THAN 60% LITERALLY THIS IS TOO MUCH!
SF Hill Farm (refered to as R-Base) - total planes: 4, of which are rustlers: 4 DUDE FFS, I CANT TAKE THAT MANY
and you forgot to mention
SF Naval Base Aircraft Carrier: total planes: 3, of which are rustlers: 3. WTFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
There are as many rustlers as there are average players online. There are 7 different sources for rustlers, all across the map making it impossible to cut [R] off their rustler stock. So yes, the server is motherfucking PACKED with rustlers. AND YOUR CLAN STILL ASKS FOR MORE!

I wouldn't call a weapon that can make you rage like this 'ineffective'.
That's why I have placed "ineffective" in quotes.

We Rs aren't knights, we're aint even fighters in that sense. R members are scum.
Agreed, I just had to fix that last word for you.

You've trained Helikilling
Wtf.

You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW
Any of my playstyles harmonizes with the servers concept and many other playstyles. [R]s playstyle (singular!) doesn't(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). That's the one thing I have tried to make as clear as possible with my last post. But as you are [R] you just refuse to accept that I am totally right about this.

your post was literally the best example for that i have seen in my entire lifetime. Maybe it will make you famous in Psychology someday.
My post is not something special because of some deep, meaningful message on a psychological layer.
It is something special (and even you as an [R] realized that subconsciously) because it is 100% fucking accurate.
Stop trying to show off your nonexistant ability to look right through other people.

[Runey]

Increasing the number of rustlers for a little(as i've already written and suggested above) is not going to change whole universe.
[...]
So,it's not going to harm ANYONE if we add like few more rustlers any helis at each airport(about 3).

I agree, but i also have the feeling that the number of rustlers/helis around will never be enough for someone, no matter if you increase their number like they already did...........

Sorry,my bad,since i am not able to predict the future or to read other's minds,it is gonna hurt someone,obviously.And BikeDriver has the point there.Reading all these replies of BikeDriver(and Spitfire's) ,i changed my mind,'cause they sort of told me to stop and think for a minute.As far as i can remember,no clan ever asked for a favor such as this one is.R-team is the only clan having their base like BikeDriver(marked as ,BD' in this text) said above,which is,if you ask me,a gift that would mean a lot to me.And now,when they got what they asked/wanted to,they even dare to ask for more stuff(more rustlers).

There are as many rustlers as there are average players online. There are 7 different sources for rustlers, all across the map making it impossible to cut [R] off their rustler stock. So yes, the server is motherfucking PACKED with rustlers. AND YOUR CLAN STILL ASKS FOR MORE!

^
Still askin for more? Nah,if there really is something that we need ,it's blista compact(a vehicle really hard to find on lw).
Until those mappers/staff decides what will be added and WHY,your beautiful idea of adding more rustlers is gone.Say ,Good bye.'

Apart from [R] i see a lot of other regular players flying in rustlers, and judging from behaviour and statements they seem to like it once in a while.
I am not judging people who fly a rustler once every 10 hours. I am judging people who spent 9 out of 10 hours hiding in rustlers.

BD,what if i told you that they've recently deleted the vehicle you like very much and you're good at using?(i dunno which one do you prefer for e.g. helis lol).You're not here to command what will other people do.If they like spending 10 hrs a day in rustler,just let them.Let them do what THEY want to(that'd be freaking sick).

You have your weapons, your joy, your playstyle. And now just because you dislike ours you think that would give you the right to force us to come down and fight with RW
Any of my playstyles harmonizes with the servers concept and many other playstyles. [R]s playstyle (singular!) doesn't(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). That's the one thing I have tried to make as clear as possible with my last post. But as you are [R] you just refuse to accept that I am totally right about this.

Everybody has their own playstyle,nobody can take it from you(only try to steal it).Having and playing the game with your playstyle is good,as long as it's not against the rules.

Spitfire you sure are bored lol.

He's not bored,he just likes explaining other people things they don't understand,or things that can't simply be understood.Whenever you don't understand something,you ask for explanation,of course.It's normal.Spitfire obviously likes doing it,and he's used to it now.
Anyways:
Should add:Other Suggestions would be great to add.
Should not add:Rustlers.
^
Remember: this is my opinion.

[SKY]

He's not bored,he just likes explaining other people things they don't understand,or things that can't simply be understood.Whenever you don't understand something,you ask for explanation,of course.It's normal.Spitfire obviously likes doing it,and he's used to it now.

Enzo was joking, it wasnt a serious thing to take lol...

[Sl0c4N]

good ideas , I think should when some one say some thing in the main chat, should appear his id.