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Offline The Milko

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« on: June 22, 2016, 05:39:21 PM »
Recently, f3wz_zz was low on HP, and I was trying to finish him off. Though, there was a bike on fire, he ran around it and exploded, thus avoided being killed by me. Is that allowed?
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Re: Question
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 06:03:04 PM »
Maybe he didn't know the bike was on fire? Just my opinion :>


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Re: Question
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 06:27:07 PM »
Recently, f3wz_zz was low on HP, and I was trying to finish him off. Though, there was a bike on fire, he ran around it and exploded, thus avoided being killed by me. Is that allowed?

great ask... idk bcz some players without intention die via explosion, for me isn't evade. you have to see the context and whether or not there was intent to commit suicide



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Re: Question
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 06:36:28 PM »
I personally could consider it to be allowed as I have a slightly different understanding of the term 'death evading' than our crooked rules.

to me, death evading would mean playing a fight in such a way, where if you were about to die, you would do anything to avoid getting that one extra death point on your record.

in this case, the guy blew himself up and died either way, so he technically did not evade death.

however, the above is valid for when we look at the situation through the common sense spectrum. unfortunately, we have rules that contradict the above common sense (for now, might add some changes later).

our status quo on death evading is as follows:

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- Another occurrence can happen if a player is low on health and they on purposely kill themselves so that the kill cannot be rewarded.

so in the case of our rules, it is not allowed.

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Re: Question
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 06:54:24 PM »
what happens is that players do not want to use common sense, but to find a loophole to get away with it. this thought for me should not exist



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Re: Question
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 06:55:53 PM »
This might happen rarely but it still can be categorized as a evade.

Player1 fights Player2
Player1 gets Player2 to a low amount of HP
Player2 then runs in order to save himself while Player1 is chasing him
Player2 sees a opportunity to evade being killed by Player1 by standing near the vehicle that's about to explode
Player2 dies because of the explosion and evades being killed by Player1

Kind of obvious, most of the times people just jump in water when they're low on HP or jump off a higher cliff or a building. This one is rare but it still is evading.

sure in this case for me is evade



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Re: Question
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 10:38:31 PM »
On SA-MP we consider death not qualified as death evasion, exactly because of arguments like this.
Yes, the killer doesn't get the kill, yes, sometimes not even the money. But the dead player still gets +1 deaths and their ratio ruined.
Also,
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Might be worth a thought to be safe from this kind of splitting hairs.

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Re: Question
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 01:23:05 AM »
Alright, it was just a simple question. No need to make an elephant out of a fly.

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Re: Question
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 11:35:04 AM »
Alright, it was just a simple question. No need to make an elephant out of a fly.

more like making a fly out of an elephant in this case

it is important people understand what exactly death evading means and I'm glad Enzo shares my views on the matter.

I'll make changes to the rules in due time.


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Re: Question
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 01:02:50 PM »
I'm possibly being a bit oldfaggish on the matter though.
Back in my day staying alive was a real thing, and the only measure of death evasion to come along was /q.
We'd never think about suicide to steal the kill from our very own killers. Surviving was our game because anything else would have been on the same pathetic level than ragequits and /q-avoids. We would have felt ashamed to even consider it. It was a loss, not a win. Not even near.
Back in my day, running was an actual thing. It was a form of art. You could be the worst DMer on the planet, but with outstanding dodging skills you could own the respect of your fellow foes and be awarded recognition by clan death squads ([JOKER] knows).
But some day the playerbase became so full of spoiled brats thinking satisfaction must come without any effort, that they just stopped getting involved with us artists and decided to lame and rape instead. Thus, lacking competition, the art of running died and the players who followed it gradually left the game, leaving behind a community full of laming muppets and lazy faggots displaying the carelessness that led to the decay we experience in this death evasion argument, which in my opinion is the expression of the yet again pathetic intentions of some people to destroy the very last and lowest, even most pathetic bastion of what running did become after it's death, to transform the game into their personal kingdom to play God in effortlessly.

Edit: this is how you make a fly into an elephant. Calm your tits 8)