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Offline Yennah

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2019, 04:27:51 PM »
The command was removed due to the increasing amount of people attempting to breach accounts of other players (sometimes successful, sometimes not).

On a daily basis we were seeing many players (primarily those from Internet cafes/905) logging on to the server and continually spamming either in public chat or via PM harassing and begging players for money much like below:

<PM> From: (NrA)KinG_905. To: [K]: bro give cash bro money 100000

They would spam repeatedly like this until the person they were spamming gave in or they would move onto the next person. From observing them they would often use the !stats command to find their next target in order to determine who has money.

The volume of this spam was increasing much more significantly over the coming weeks before the command was removed. We would mute/shun/tempban them but as they were playing from an Internet cafe this caused a number of problems:

- The shunned player would just leave the server and rejoin with a different nickname / different machine in the cafe and start the begging process again.

- Due to the environment they were playing from being a cafe it was then hard to track if the player who had just joined with a new nickname was the same player as previously or another player entirely.

- Sometimes when banning them the machine would then become banned (or in some cases the IP address of the cafe) causing problems for all other players in the cafe who were playing legit not causing any trouble.

By removing the !givecash command we aim to deal with the following problems:

- If a player's account is compromised, whoever has access cannot do as much damage as previously since they will be in a 'sandboxed' environment.

- Player's risk losing alot more now if they get banned. Before we have seen instances of players being banned, re-joining under an alias and getting a friend to send them money so that they can buy that PCJ that they just lost from their banned account etc. Players will now have to spend time on the server and progress themselves and earn cash for their posessions.

- As the beggars know the ability to share cash doesn't exist they won't even bother. We have already seen a significant decrease in begging/spamming/player harassment through PM's since it was removed.

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As anyone who reguarly plays the server will know. You can easily accumulate ALOT of money on your account after playing for awhile. So much that you do not know what to do with. This is because there isn't really alot of things to spend it on. 1 vehicle, ocassional weapons/armour and the healing at the hospital isn't very taxing after gathering a reasonable amount of money. For this reason, we really need to implement and overhaul the server with new features which players can spend the money on to purchase. I do have alot of ideas that I would love to see implemented but at the end of the day it's up to AdTec_224 to decide what he wants to add and doesn't as it's his script and his time and energy spent.

There is some suggestions like transferring money via PAC or limiting the amount to x amount per day that can be transferred. But either of these will still enable the beggars to spam players for money aslong as they are aware that the ability to send cash is allowed.

Currently at the moment AdTec doesn't have any intention of adding this back in for the foreseeable future. I'm personally fine with that aswell. Though hopefully we can look towards adding something to the server which will allow players to spend their hard earned cash.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2019, 04:31:39 PM by Yennah »

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2019, 05:08:47 PM »
Alright. I don't want something for nothing. Just take a look at the preliminary impact of removing !givecash cmd now.



Littlewhitey's usually (used to be) the most popular server that holds the top place of the server list all the time. But just take a look. The players action is the most honest thing here. Now look at where our 'usual' players go? They all go to the most similar server, which is EC.

I really like this server Littlewhitey's. I really do. And I know what is the goodest thing to the server. I don't want LW's going down too, but just removing !givecash cmd is a very very bad idea that has far more cons than pros.

Anyway,

The choice is yours now.
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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2019, 05:43:31 PM »
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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2019, 06:08:29 PM »
New update:

"...And when I am in Vice City and want to listen some power ballads about crine alert in a wind tunnel, I listen to Emotion."


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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2019, 06:37:23 PM »


I don't see what your point is with this one. The majority of the players here are EAF and other regulars of Argonath. Besides Argonath is a full on roleplay server where as Littlewhitey's is TDM.

Not saying the your images are incorrect or the ones I've posted are correct. It just isn't possible to take a snapshot of the serverlist at a given time and use that as a basis for the player count.


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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2019, 06:49:49 PM »
Look, I am really tired on this one already. Just believe my word though:

Time will prove.

Bring back !givecash cmd is the only way to solve such situation.
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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2019, 07:22:31 PM »
It just isn't possible to take a snapshot of the serverlist at a given time and use that as a basis for the player count.
Exactly!

Anyway, I'm not standing behind this idea to bring back the !givecash command.

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2019, 07:53:32 PM »
bruh
O'yes i've almost forgot that.
Cafe players are the problem of this world.
Because of they lags and spamming requesting money and 905 and stupid names like king5,king9999... And other weird nicknames , they are like a bots !! I bet if everyone of those players have a billion account!
So i rethink that givecash cmd must be removed for that, even is important for some missions but its still ok.
Btw when you look to the positive side of cafe players , they are always making lws full, and we are making spree/money on them , and the most important thing is : they are  funniest players ive ever seen and played with XD.
And as hanney said if any admin tried to ban anyone of them he will face a biggest problem in the world .
SIMPILY , CAFE PLAYERS ARE THE REAL MEMES ON THIS GAME AND ON THIS SERVER XD.
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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2019, 09:26:38 AM »
Well removing the !give command was a good decision and it greatly reduced the beggars ingame, but there can be other way of transferring money like:
- If the player can send money to only those who are his/her friend on PAC account, and for others the give command wont work since most of the cafe beggars are immature so they won't understand the PAC stuff.
-The amount of money to be transferred by a player should be limited to 100k or less per day.
It's up to management now nevertheless the new system is fair for rich player.

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2019, 12:25:47 PM »
One solution to this is to add /transfer cash, if there's ingame admin, he can allow player to transfer cash from one player to another by using some amount like

Code: [Select]
/transfer <sender> <receiver> <amount>
which would help in reducing the spam and money can be easily monitored.

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2019, 01:08:41 PM »
@Emotional6uY  as your nickname stand , i feel like you're arguing and reasoning by your emotions.

it's not because someone doesn't agree with you that he's stupid or whatever name you called me. Again , removing this command made a very good impact on the server. All the reasons i listed were confirmed by Hanney.

So yeah , again -1 for this suggestion.

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2019, 01:33:14 PM »
Less beggars and spam pm  8) 905 dismiss, feels so good to play  :)

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2019, 04:42:13 AM »
I just wanna make this short now.

First, the 'new system' that Stubborn suggested above isn't that 'fair' for rich players. In actuality, that is the most unfair thing to rich players. Rich players meant to be rich because they already had an amount of money in their accounts, that they can do what they want with their money. Setting up limits is unfair to rich players because that is the same meaning of setting up limits to limit the way what rich players do with their money.

And so on, as I said, either keeping everything as it usually does, or try to force LW's to go to the way that can never turn back.

Furthermore, reply to that dumb NukerStar down there. I set this name to Emotional6uY here, was based on the radio station Emotion 98.3, and it's kind of a tribute paying to it, yea. Doesn't mean that I am what you said of:

arguing and reasoning by your emotions.

Whatsoever,

P.S. Note that I am emotional.
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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 05:07:50 PM »
Another thing can be done. If the both players agree to send cash, the admin in the server can transfer for them.

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Re: Return The Commands !givecash.
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2019, 06:11:33 PM »
Another thing can be done. If the both players agree to send cash, the admin in the server can transfer for them.
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