the question is

[[JOKER]sugar]

cant reply to a locked post



The question is:

Why when hackers complain, normal players then complaint until they find out its a hacker who started the complaint?


none of us were complaining just stating facts or giving our views on the post


heres a question:

why when normal players complain about an admin or mod does the topic get locked or totally deleted??
or forum banned

[[V]ACE]

cant reply to a locked post
The question is:

Why when hackers complain, normal players then complaint until they find out its a hacker who started the complaint?

ummm wat?

why when normal players complain about an admin or mod does the topic get locked or totally deleted??
or forum banned

Well, think abuot this. You do your best to keep cheaters/rules breakers off the server, not getting much time to play, gettting loads of false reports, etc. . .
After all this hard work, energy and time, you come on to the forum to a topic complaining about you, (with flaming at times).
Im guessign that the admins/mods put in time and effort to control and maintain the server, and due to this they dont really wanna be demoralised by people either (a) complaining about them (b) bitching about them (c)flaming them.

hmmmm
Heres a question:
Could a topic be made with "constructive critism" about admins/mods?
(i.e. V3 needs to stop abusing my sheep, and eDIT needs to stop afking lol)

[KmanN]

ace makes a good point if i was a admin and after doing my job i came on the forums to see some hacker or noob crying and bitching about how i did my job i would just lock the topic or delete all together. admins shouldnt have to put up with people bitching because an admin banned them.

[eDiT]

(i.e. V3 needs to stop abusing my sheep, and eDIT needs to stop afking lol)

You do realize I've completly stopped going AFK for long periods of time (with the exception of 5-10minutes for checking IRC) after I became a mod...
This was dealt with awhile ago..

[[JOKER]sugar]

but what about the none hackers and none bitchiness that gets the same treatment anyway  i dont doubt for one second that the team dont do there jobs infact i think its one of the best staffed servers out there but no one can deny that it does happen sometimes and it is quite shocking

anyway my first post was a reply to a question that couldnt be answered because it had been locked
 just thought id get that shit off my chest

and molly wally and polly better be safe and well otherwise il be taking them straight back off u

i guess what im trying to say is that sometimes theres exeptions wher u shud put up with the critisism coz no one is perfect and even admins make mistakes and not every thread with a complaint about an admin shud be hidden away with a delete

[[W]IDmad]

well imo admins should be able to handle some criticism and try to solve the problems with players and treat everyone equally. I think this won't happen at lw's tho. Seems like they only listen to ppl who are good asslickers and if u have anything bad to say about the server and aren't one of those asslickers ur posts/criticism gets deleted and u aren't allowed to say ur opinion. Also u get bans for no reason, longer bans and other funny stuff if u aren't friends with the admins.
Well it's lw's after all so everyone has to live with it I guess... 

[eDiT]

but what about the none hackers and none bitchiness that gets the same treatment anyway  i dont doubt for one second that the team dont do there jobs infact i think its one of the best staffed servers out there but no one can deny that it does happen sometimes and it is quite shocking

anyway my first post was a reply to a question that couldnt be answered because it had been locked
 just thought id get that shit off my chest

and molly wally and polly better be safe and well otherwise il be taking them straight back off u

i guess what im trying to say is that sometimes theres exeptions wher u shud put up with the critisism coz no one is perfect and even admins make mistakes and not every thread with a complaint about an admin shud be hidden away with a delete

I think I get what sugar is saying.
I've only witnessed threads being deleted because of flaming ...
If someone has a problem with an admin or mod, I think they should simply take it up with a higher admin (level 3, managment) and not make them feel horrible because of the one mistake they made. Being the only mod/admin online with many players is not easy work! (as alot know!)
Many mistakes often occur due to the high stress that comes from managing the server alone, along with many players and complete nubs.
I think after coming from situations like this, makes admins have alot less tolerance for people complaining, and bitching at them. I think it takes alot of patience to deal with these people bitching at them, especially ones that caused trouble in the server in the first place.
Just my opinions :p

EDIT: IDmad I think you're just upset at whats happend in the past at littlewhitey's!

[[V]ACE]

(i.e. V3 needs to stop abusing my sheep, and eDIT needs to stop afking lol)

You do realize I've completly stopped going AFK for long periods of time (with the exception of 5-10minutes for checking IRC) after I became a mod...
This was dealt with awhile ago..

rly? tbh eDIT u and i aint bin on  the server at the same time for long periods of time for a while lol
Also, Mally, Wally and Polly are all fine and happy.
(Apoligise to eDIT - sry was only jkin)

molly wally and polly better be safe and well otherwise il be taking them straight back off u

If someone has a problem with an admin or mod, I think they should simply take it up with a higher admin (level 3, managment) and not make them feel horrible because of the one mistake they made.

Hmm i agree there is no need to make a person feel horrible because of one mistake. However, i also feel that it is better to deal with critism, and in the future take it into account. I mean in all walks of life we get critised (deserved or not lol) and many of us dont ignore it (unless it is complete BS) we use it and remember it for the future and learn from it. (Just my opinion).
Probably agree with eDIT. Complain about an admin/mod either to the admin/mod themselves or to a higher admin.



*ACE goes to Dugi to tell him that V3 is abusing my sheep D:

[THEWICKERMAN]

they should lock and delete pointless topics flaming them made by cheaters who cant handle being banned, but definitely take criticism as well, ie not kicking someone who says something like 'i think you should have gave that guy a better warning before muting him'...not that anyone does anything like that btw when ppl get in trouble for criticism of the people in charge that's called communism

[DJ_Contagious]

xomg all these posts are long, lol

im pretty sure its because mods/admins usually expect stuff from haxor noobs like flaming, and other shit that makes us laugh. When it comes from a person we, or they, know well, it seems more of a real-thing type of flame/etc. Naw meen?

Or maybe they keep it up to please us....what would the forum be WITHOUT the funny ban appeals??

[Caturday]

Ok, I'll step in once more. It is ok to make a few comments but as its been said we put in a lot of time for the players to have fun. In the end you may think its unfair that someone gets banned for "making a comment" but if you dont see the things that we see them doing you would ban them aswell.

I recently recieved a log from someone very nice (non admin team) on IRC re: 6 reg players really slagging me off to the point they wish I was dead or would die a horrible death. None of these players have been banned tho this is a personal attack and these people have the nerve to act all "cutesy" around me, and these are also 6 of the first people to complain on the forum...


Simply put, the constant crap we put up with and see from everyday players who have the nerve to critisize us after they break simple rules (which for the life of me I dont understand how they arnt banned for this), you say:

"admins cant take criticism"

Why cant these criticisms be in a constructive manner? Why do 80% of these threads made have the following words:

fuck
abusive
admin abuse
power trip
idiot

but definitely take criticism as well, ie not kicking someone who says something like 'i think you should have gave that guy a better warning before muting him'

2 sorts of people say that:

1. Spammers who then spam the admin with PM's asking why EVEN when we have explained
2. People who dont spam and get a answer

However, i also feel that it is better to deal with critism, and in the future take it into account. I mean in all walks of life we get critised (deserved or not lol) and many of us dont ignore it (unless it is complete BS) we use it and remember it for the future and learn from it. (Just my opinion).

A "constructive" comment made by a reg from LW to me over pm on irc:

"Why are you such a shit admin? You cant tell the difference between bugs <then a long explination of how they didnt switch when I had caught them whilst a ADMIN was fighting them>, I really hope you get cancer and die you fucking stupid whore"

This is the average constructive criticism I get from the average player now a days. Really makes me want to stay on the team.... Im not sure what the rest of the team get, it may be better it may be worse.

Seems like they only listen to ppl who are good asslickers and if u have anything bad to say about the server and aren't one of those asslickers ur posts/criticism gets deleted and u aren't allowed to say ur opinion.

Only when you people say over and over how lvp is better then LW's then we have to take action because they are not being constructive... they are trying to get players to leave.


In closing, remember with basic access to the server and forum you miss out alot of stuff which is actually going on in the background, you may think someone is banned for "criticism" on the forum / server but it maybe that they are banned for another reason, for example extreme flaming

[[JOKER]sugar]

as i said before there are occasions where ppl dont flame and be fully explanative about things but still end up forum banned and forgoton about and acctually still banned it seems no matter how much of ur time u give to the game if u r wanted rid of then eventualy u will be hidden away !

[Noodless]

On the Post by Bobby_Brown there was no reason to keep it open as the subject had been resolved

If you have an opinion about what was happening it is perfectly fine to post in the thread, but if you have other things going inside you that don’t necessarily correspond to the people involved or the actions in doubt it would be better in my belief to bring it up on a new thread: like you did here.

Now on criticism on people part or the LW team: if you have problems with a certain person within the admin team you should bring it up with the higher up’s (Now Popz or LnX).  If you have a problem with how the admin team goes on doing its work in the server then I would think it would be better to be specific. 

This is more or less what I’ve done when I had problems with a certain admin or policies of  the admin team.  You should remember though not to bring up rumors, anger, hatred, or anything of that sorts to Popz or LnX or your post as it just makes you look bad.   

[[JOKER]sugar]

On the Post by Bobby_Brown there was no reason to keep it open as the subject had been resolved

If you have an opinion about what was happening it is perfectly fine to post in the thread, but if you have other things going inside you that don’t necessarily correspond to the people involved or the actions in doubt it would be better in my belief to bring it up on a new thread: like you did here.

Now on criticism on people part or the LW team: if you have problems with a certain person within the admin team you should bring it up with the higher up’s (Now Popz or LnX).  If you have a problem with how the admin team goes on doing its work in the server then I would think it would be better to be specific. 

This is more or less what I’ve done when I had problems with a certain admin or policies of  the admin team.  You should remember though not to bring up rumors, anger, hatred, or anything of that sorts to Popz or LnX or your post as it just makes you look bad.  

i dont have any anger hatred or critisism im simply saying thats how it is

it makes me look bad?

to actually have an opinion about what happens

i dont understand why it all has to be so tabboo

thats kinda what annoys me everything is secretive and hidden and it shouldnt be like that 

[Noodless]

i dont have any anger hatred or critisism im simply saying thats how it is

it makes me look bad?

to actually have an opinion about what happens

i dont understand why it all has to be so tabboo

thats kinda what annoys me everything is secretive and hidden and it shouldnt be like that 

I'm not talking specifically about you, my post was meant for everyone as a sugestion.  There are countless threads where someone posts in anger or plainly lies and thinks he is getting away with it. 

On things being taboo.  I can Sympathize with that.  There are some things I don't or have not agreed with: but when thinking about bringing it up I think to myself is it worth bringing it up at all?  Sometimes it is and sometimes its not.  Sometimes I've asked others how they felt about things I thought were wrong and other times I just accept what I think is wrong (or not necessarly right) because its the owners of the server responsibility to do whats best for the server.  If they think their way of choosing admins, using /me command, weapon gameplay rules, car spawns, car sets ect.... are the right way I have to accept it.  Fortunately many of these things they give us the regular players a chance to discuss or vote on.  If the popular vote goes this way or that or is even they have the right to do what they please after hearing us as they own the server we play on. 

So is your taboo worth bringing up or has it already been brought up.  Is it something to post on or have a private discussion with the BIG guys.