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Recycle Bin => Suggestions (2008-2011) => SA-MP Archive (2015) => SA-MP Archive => Recycle Bin => Rejected Suggestions => Topic started by: [Sx]Firefly[UB] on December 04, 2009, 10:26:40 AM
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ok ok I know this is long, but please read as much as you can, I think this will help out the server a lot!
A new player level, No-Admin moderation. A player level between Regular and Moderator.
Currently Moderator is set to level 1, admin to level 2, etc.
How bout a "Power Player" level, level 1, while moderator level is level 2, admin level 3, management level 4 etc.
It might not necessarily be called Power Player, its just the first name that comes to mind
My suggestion is that, regular players, who is highly active in-game, knows all the rules, played a lot of hours with much experience etc, should get a level 1 with one simple ability:
To be able to vote-kick a hacker or rule-breaker when an admin is not around or afk.
Before you say this has been suggested before, there are a lot of changes and restrictions, and I think it will work out great. (admins always say they have a life, well this is a way to help the server while they're busy!)
The following is just an rough sketch but it gets the point across...
Power Players can kick hackers/rulebreakers on a vote based system, and also /spectate and gets a copy of any /report
for example if power player (id 4) types /vkick 13 health hacks, all the other "power players" will get a message that says "ID 4 request player 13 to be kicked for: health hacks", type /v 13 to confirm.
Power players can only /spectate the ID that has been brought up for voting.
If around 80% of the power players type /v 13, ID 13 will get kicked for "health hacks", etc.
If theres say, 5 power players on, then 4 /v is needed to kick, if 10 online, 8 /v needed, etc. etc.
There might be another thing, where a moderator (without an admin) can ban a hacker with the voting system.
same idea, but the Mod would type /vban 13 hacks, and around 80% of power players will need to type /vban confirm for the player to be banned.
With this system, the admins can stare at IRC a little less, Players won't be stuck with a full-on hacker spamming /report 100 times, simple rulebreakers like shooting at race can be kicked without admin's interference, faster and more efficient, its not only a backup system for no-admin situation, but also to assist the admins in maintaining rule and order in the server at times.
now to list out all the arguments I can see for it.
If a power player abuses the /v system, or a few power players abuses the system, their /v will be permanently removed, or in some cases, the power player could be banned a certain amount of time for the abuse, etc.
If a power player starts /vkick, but the kick is determined to be a bad kick, after 3 "false" kicks within 1 month, the power players involved in the kicks loses their level until further assessment
If there is 3 or less power players, all the votes are needed to kick, if there is only 1 power player, the player can make the decision to kick, but if it is a false kick, the player loses their level for an extended period of time. (couple weeks, etc)
To be a power player, there must be some strict requirements, such as must have 300+ hours in-game, no extensive flaming history, does not break any rules often, and be able to understand english to some extent. power players will need to be responsible, any abuse, spam, or flame of the /v system will result in an immediate level removal...
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I read the whole thing, I honestly think it's a good idea but there is one more problem.
With the low player count there is at times currently on the server, with only 8 votes the player could be kicked. This could be easily abused somehow. Also I think that 'powered players' would vote kick laggers, lamers or DB'ers.
All in all I think it's something we could easily administrate, and overlook so it's not abused. So I vote yes.
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If there is 3 or less power players, all the votes are needed to kick, if there is only 1 power player, the player can make the decision to kick, but if it is a false kick, the player loses their level for an extended period of time. (couple weeks, etc)
Thats hard I think. Everyone made/make some misstakes. So I think it´s a bit hard. But all in all great idea.
And @ your last point: How you can get a "power player". Who should vote that. Admins !? But how should they choose them. Just regulars. Just over 300+ hours. Must be on forum etc. I think thats a hard decission for admins :/. But not my problem :) . And there are a lot of regulars I think. They all know the rules etc. So there would be everytime someone who is annyoed cause HE is no "Power Player"
All in all great idea. There are often times in that is no admin/mod on.
So +1 from me too
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i give it +1
its a great idea cause sometimes u get anoyed when there is a cheater and no admin online.
As i said great idea +1 but the only problem as crank said that there are many regular players.
If this happens i will like to be oone if possible :D
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Yep,there are a lot of regulars,maybe can admins choose 20,30,40 etc. regular players for "moderating" for those who feel that they are responsible
All in all +1 from me
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If this happens i will like to be oone if possible :D
You see, (nothing against you Shadow) everyone want´s to be someone of them. So we have to see that like getting a mod (not the same). Admins choose them and we have to accept that :) . If the suggestion would get accepted
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dont worry crank i wouldnt get anoyed if i dont get choosed
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Stop dreaming. First the suggestion needs to be accepted, then it needs to be created. So hold your horses.
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well thats a really nice idea, skynet_firefly xDD i voted yes, and i think its really good..
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I read the whole thing, I honestly think it's a good idea but there is one more problem.
With the low player count there is at times currently on the server, with only 8 votes the player could be kicked. This could be easily abused somehow. Also I think that 'powered players' would vote kick laggers, lamers or DB'ers.
All in all I think it's something we could easily administrate, and overlook so it's not abused. So I vote yes.
+1, and amen.
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I suggested before that trusted players only can get some kind of a power to vote for kicking a players or so, I believe it was denied :-\
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we hat u bloodster thats why
+1 ESPECIALLY FOR MY TIMEZONE
there is always someone shooting the hell out of us with infinate ammo
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good idea but admins can do this more accurately
banning opportunity should not be given to anyone except admins
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good idea but admins can do this more accurately
banning opportunity should not be given to anyone except admins
It´s kick* with votekick.
I´d like this idea.
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good idea :) +1
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I think this is a great idea, since i am tired of all lame hackers is on,
when no admin/mod is online..
I don't think regular players should have spectate though, because it could be very abusable.
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It's a bright idea! +1
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i like it, but there are some irresponsable ppl that probably will abuse of this.
I think -2
sorry, we have mods and admins
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i like it, but there are some irresponsable ppl that probably will abuse of this.
I think -2
sorry, we have mods and admins
Why -2? Does your vote count twice? ???
If those players who are able to vote are chosen responsibly, there won't be any abuse.
Also, I think there should be a minimum of players online to can vote.
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If this happens i know who will have this power...
This will make like " leet " members.
This should be a command for donators ;P
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If this happens i know who will have this power...
This will make like " leet " members.
This should be a command for donators ;P
I dont think so, with only 10 dollars, I can kick. lol
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/kick != /votek¡ck.
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Personally, I don't see the need for this.
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We have enought commands for donators.
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I think the idea of having a votekicker status is a good idea. But not that you have to pay to have it.
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srly a /spectate command for players who play a lot is pure fail.
also a /votekick is the worst possible command. just wait for an admin who can ban hackers then they are gone for ever.
since we are like 20 active players nobody needs this.
i barely see any hackers and no admin is online. not needed.
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I like the votekick idea, this is very common in a lot of first person shooters, works pretty good. Abuse of this is very rare, because more players have to vote to get someone kicked, abuse should be punished ofcourse.
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yea i like it i remeber when in the morning i was playing and there where some hackers but only regulars where online so they could kick them
Voted yes
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I changed my opinion, I think is a good idea.I voted yes.
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Votekicks/bans are probably the most abused things ive ever experienced.
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the risk of this idea is that these "power players" could abuse of their powers, so i don't know if it's a good idea...
i'm an old player of LW and i saw a lot of old players doing bad things throughout these 2 years..
for example i'd like to be one of these players if the suggestion had been accepted, cause often cheaters/abusers don't get banned due to no admin presence..but like i already said i'm worried about the risk of someone's abuse
Votekicks/bans are probably the most abused things ive ever experienced.
that's what i meant
indeed i voted -1
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i like the idea except for the spectate command...
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i vote -1 on this!
Sorry but i dont see how these "trusted players" are trusted? what by playing 300 hours means that u are a trusted player? hmm dont think so...
Also i think that these "power players" will just end up kicking anyone they feel like, fo no reason apparat from personal reasons. For example i DB half the UB people and they start flaming, next i flame them back, then i will be kicked becasue they will all vote to kick/ban becasue they are in the majority and can do so...
My point is that these "power/trusted players" are often sour about being killed (especially in DB way) and in my opinion they will force other "trusted players" to vote kick/ban just becasue they feel like...
yes i am specifically refering to the UB people, who seem to have it in for me!!!
besides, would it no be easier to just recruit some more admins/moderators... So if they do ban someone wrongfully the blame is on their shoulders and its their responsibility... not like 8 other players who will never own up if they banned someone incorrectly.
P.S also admins you will get a lot more post in the banned section, so in reality ur workload will not decrease that much, it could actually go up if you have to chase up the people who banned some one incorrectly... imagine that trying to identify 8 players who were involved and then deciding how to punish them...
Peace out
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The idea isn't for ban tho, it's for kicking.
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The idea isn't for ban tho, it's for kicking.
ok in which case i really dont see the need for it... if its actually a legitamate kick for hacking, then there is nothing stopping the hacker comming back in. rendering it pretty useless...
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The idea isn't for ban tho, it's for kicking.
Then accept it
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I doubt this will happen.
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The idea isn't for ban tho, it's for kicking.
Then accept it
no, why implement something thats as useless as this...?
agreed with Alvar, doubt it would happen...
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To be honest I don't think it's a bad idea, but on the other hand I know some regulars abuse shit and break the rules when no admins are on. I'm waiting for the next major game mode update (which is comming) for suggestions such as these.
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I think this should be forgotten as the second sex in your life..... If the powerplayers will be choosen by admin then why we dont name them as moderators. And if we need more assistance in dealing with /reports and shit then why admins easily just pick some guys to be moderators or anything? There is no point giving moderators a new name. And if you get auto power player in 300 hours or whatever then there will be always abusing. like kick some guys who has luck and just doing lame things and everyone hate him because he is so lucky and also cocky.... no way.. i think... its only just a claim to get some power.... i dont play this game to control and play the dad of other players. admin assistance is good enough since you see a ban every minute ...
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-1 very bad suggestion
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I'm neutral on this suggestion.
Also, I don't think it will happen.
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Power player idea sucks, thats sure. But the idea is not so stupid at all. As a gay above me said (ill call u whatever i want, as u wish) there is no need to give moderators a new name. /votekick should be able for every registered player.
Ill explain how I see it. First of all, vote cant be started if the player count is less than 20 or something like that. The less player count, the bigger chance of abuse. The player, who see a cheater/rulebreaker uses /votekick id. Here I dunno: maybe the information that someone voted should be posted on a global chat, maybe it should be secret. If 50% of the players will vote, then the player is kicked.
I think there should be a restriction, for eg. that we can make one vote for hour or more, so the player will think twice before voting to kick someone for hh, when hes got just hard hb.
HOWEVER, I don't really think it's very needed on LW. The anticheat systems are really good and there is ussually an admin arround. Making power players is the worst idea even, cause if admins have to choose them, itll be just an another type of mod. If they will be choosen automaticly, eg. after reaching 300 hour, there would be a lot of abusers.
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I accept if someone says there is no need. It IS no need if you are on at the evening with a lot of players.
Iam thinking of times in the morning or after school. Iam often on with just 10-15 playes. 4 of them are cheaters. Last week a saw 3 of them, they made a gang called: "cheaters" . WTF LOL ?
And for those times we need new mods or "powerplayers" :/
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Then we need new mods, not a new kind of mode, lol. I don't know how the mods are chosen, but maybe there should be taken more attention for the timezones and time when ppl can be most active? Maybe there should be made some kind of shifts so there will be always at least 1 mod online?
Dunno, as I said I don't see need for this.
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Timezones are taken into account when selecting mods, but we're not gonna drop our standards, obviously with the less ppl playing at a specific time theres less ppl to choose from to become mods.
Also we're not gonna make any sort of shift system so mods are on all the time, no1's gonna be forced to play the game,
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+1
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Timezones are taken into account when selecting mods, but we're not gonna drop our standards, obviously with the less ppl playing at a specific time theres less ppl to choose from to become mods.
Also we're not gonna make any sort of shift system so mods are on all the time, no1's gonna be forced to play the game,
I fully afree with u, I just wanted to give the only alternative i see.
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The first idea is nice, but the second i think maybe cause problems
First +1
Second -1