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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2008, 11:00:08 AM »
Maps can't be longer than 8 minutes...

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2008, 03:15:15 PM »
Maps can be longer, but not on littlewhiteys :).

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2008, 06:14:10 PM »
This is a for littlewhitey's server, so it's irrelevant what other servers do :-\

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2008, 02:14:56 AM »
i post fuckingham-palace2. it's a variation of the one, so ,if you want, you can delete the first or keep it!

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2008, 05:12:25 PM »
hi all.where is the map testing server?is open for all enter?
and remembering,i have some good ideas for maps this week,lets see if you will like ;)

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2008, 11:12:07 PM »
rao! hi!!
for the map testing server, it's just about the map testing blog, if you have some comments.
If you want to have a server to test your map, create by yourself. you can find the method easily if you search on google. it cost you 10 minutes to build it.
i found a method on that link http://wiki.mtasa.com/index.php?title=MTA:SA_Race-Windows_Server_Guide
so have fun!

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2008, 02:59:19 AM »
I have a message regarding a little map project of my own.

The map I am working and am nearing the finish, is called F01_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo (yes, yes I got the idea from S001/2_by_snipe, dont critise yet), its a kinda skilled map. I´m gonna post pictures and more infor as soon as its done, but my question is, if a map made on purpouse to be hard can be accepted, I mean its a map with a either long, or no respawn, havent descided yet, something in the category of RUn_RUN_Run only no running but you do have natural enemies here a kinda race deathmatch. So I wanna know if a map like this can be accepted on the server. Even tho the start might be kinda unfair(trying to avoid clustering tho), some players dont get to race etc.

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2008, 12:38:13 PM »
If you're planning to go F01_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F02_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F03_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo and so on, please don't. It's a bad habit of Snipe and El-brujo to come up with one name and then just add successive numbers to that name for the rest of their maps. Be more original with your map names - please. :/

We also generally don't like races with no respawn. People don't want to wait around for 3 minutes while people complete a race if they join late. Why not let them race too? Anyway, we routinely add respawn to maps that lack it, so if you don't add it, we probably will. :)

One important thing if you are thinking of letting some people race and some people not, is that it's best to give people the choice. Some people just want to race all the time, so don't force them into something they don't want. People's mood might also change, so some days they might want to DM, others not. Rao got a Cops'n'Robbers map deleted recently because it forced some people to be cops.

An unfair start isn't a big problem, so long as it's not like some people get a one minute headstart. :) In my oppinion a little unfair start is far better than a cluster start, so don't worry about it too much.

As for whether a map that is hard on purpose can be accepted - sure. I am guessing you don't want to add a lot of repairers? So long as there are repairers available after the start, should any clustering occur, I don't see a problem with a repairer-scarce map - so long as you only die through your own clumsiness, that is. I do, however, think that you should have enough health to bump into one or two walls without being unable to complete the race.

Hope this answers your questions.

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2008, 02:01:18 PM »
If you're planning to go F01_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F02_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F03_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo and so on, please don't. It's a bad habit of Snipe and El-brujo to come up with one name and then just add successive numbers to that name for the rest of their maps. Be more original with your map names - please. :/
It's not a bad habit, since the races are part of a series :P... But from now on, I'll switch to individual map names, although I probably will make a S003 map :P
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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2008, 02:13:28 PM »
Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but I really find it stupid. :) It makes it extremely hard to remember the difference between the maps. Which one was Crazy_Race3_By_Snipe again? Uh.. can't remember. Even Knuckles can't remember the difference between his own maps Another-Offroad-Race-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-2-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-3-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-4-by-Knuckles, how are normal players supposed to?! If you want to make a series, come up with some kind of subtitle or suffix to distinguish the maps instead. An example of an off-road series would be Offroading-Mud_on_my_fender-By_Snipe, Offroading-Beach_Volley-By_Snipe and so on...

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2008, 02:37:56 PM »
How about a tutorail in the black art of map building and the map editor from you guys that can,
Maybe there is one somewhere, but you guys could do a better one imho
I'm sure that some people could make good maps if they knew how to get started,
and with the hints and tips from you experts, well who knows, racing heaven :)

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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2008, 03:43:34 PM »
How about a tutorail in the black art of map building ...
Turn the page back to page 3... see the link lol
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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2008, 04:49:25 PM »
How about a tutorail in the black art of map building ...
Turn the page back to page 3... see the link lol

I really ment a "Complete Idiots Guide"  (for me)
plus the links to Map "Editor Manual" and "Map Editor FAQ" dont work :(

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2008, 05:52:40 PM »
If you're planning to go F01_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F02_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo, F03_RockAndRoll_by-Iltigo and so on, please don't. It's a bad habit of Snipe and El-brujo to come up with one name and then just add successive numbers to that name for the rest of their maps. Be more original with your map names - please. :/
It's not a bad habit, since the races are part of a series :P... But from now on, I'll switch to individual map names, although I probably will make a S003 map :P

Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion, but I really find it stupid. :) It makes it extremely hard to remember the difference between the maps. Which one was Crazy_Race3_By_Snipe again? Uh.. can't remember. Even Knuckles can't remember the difference between his own maps Another-Offroad-Race-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-2-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-3-by-Knuckles, Another-Offroad-Race-4-by-Knuckles, how are normal players supposed to?! If you want to make a series, come up with some kind of subtitle or suffix to distinguish the maps instead. An example of an off-road series would be Offroading-Mud_on_my_fender-By_Snipe, Offroading-Beach_Volley-By_Snipe and so on...


perhaps it's a bad habit but snipe & me are not the precursors!. see run run run, going down, lr-yoyo,.....

i don't think it's stupid. with 767 maps on the server, it's a bit hard to remember the races you like.the bad habit to vote for the same races is stupid. 11 races in the top 30 of races played on the server have got a series name. when people like a map, they vote easily for the 2 or 3 because they know one of it.
so if i want to play on my map, it will be more easy if i make a series...... and a fucking good map! :P

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Re: MAP EDITOR & MAP TESTING
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2008, 07:22:35 PM »
perhaps it's a bad habit but snipe & me are not the precursors!. see run run run, going down, lr-yoyo,.....
Just because someone else did it before you did, doesn't make it right. ;)

i don't think it's stupid. with 767 maps on the server, it's a bit hard to remember the races you like.
My point exactly. Why use numbers, which are inherently hard to remember for people, to distinguish maps instead of meaningful words, which are much easier to remember?

the bad habit to vote for the same races is stupid. 11 races in the top 30 of races played on the server have got a series name. when people like a map, they vote easily for the 2 or 3 because they know one of it.
so if i want to play on my map, it will be more easy if i make a series...... and a fucking good map! :P
Hey, don't get me wrong. I know that it is more convenient for you, the map author, to name your races with successive numbers, among other things, for the following two reasons:

  • It's easier to choose the next integer than come up with an original name
  • New maps can leach off of the name of old maps

But why should we reward the laziness? Why should a mediocre map (The-jumper2 - sorry brujo :() be allowed to mooch off of an excellent one (The-jumper)? I still can't remember the difference between the Lr-yoyo maps, even though they vary heavily in quality and even though they've thinned dramatically in numbers on this server lately. Thus, if I vote for an Lr-yoyo map, I'll often end up disappointed, because I expected another, better map.