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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: Murder4Life on February 23, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
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Hello guys,
I've that suggestion in my mind since long time, to do something against helikilling peoples.
I know already, that some of you would / will disagree with me ( most likely those, who helikill peoples constantly )
...and some of you, would agree with me, some wouldnt / will not care.
Helikilling is something that makes the server less attractive in my opinion. It happened to me so many times, that i was hanging arround at a place such as the place arround
north ammunation in las venturas, then thought to refill my armor cause it was missing. Then running out of ammunation, like two seconds outside, and i got helikilled.
Also many times i've not watched the map and wanted to go out of my vehicle, bam, helikilled and literatelly just a second after leaving the vehicle.
And maybe the most annoying thing about it is, that when you have very nice fights, with different peoples ( a group fight , or a all vs all ) or either a duel vs some1 on the street
and within one second, a guy with a heli comes and destroy the whole nice fight with those heliblades.
Some of you guys are annoyed by drive-by's , some of you are annoyed by ground shot kills or whatever there is to complain about.
But you still have a chance to get away from getting killed by these actions. Not when some1 is helikilling. He simply need only one second , to kill even groups of like 3-5 peoples.
And GTA is a videogame, which is compared to the real life, to the real lifestyle. Driving cars, walking arround, flying helicopters or planes, shooting at peoples, doing drive by's etc, etc... but where the hell did you see a guy flying a helicopter, trying to kill peoples with his helicopter's blades, when they walk on the street between houses or so...
My suggestion is to either forbid helikills, or remove the damage of the heliblades to players. You could also reduce the damage of the heliblades to players ( if that is possible ), i can live with that too, no question, so it doesnt happen that a player dies within one single second, when he actually has 100-200 hp or so.
Some of you probably hate me for doing this post :)
But in my opinion it destroys some peoples fun ( me included )
and i dont wanna destroy any others fun with this suggestion, there are still alot other options to kill people / having fun.
Greetz Murder
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or remove the damage of the heliblades to players. You could also reduce the damage of the heliblades to players ( if that is possible ), i can live with that too, no question, so it doesnt happen that a player dies within one single second, when he actually has 100-200 hp or so.
i am sure that both is impossible.
my oppinion:
i neither like helikill nor i think that it ruins the server (anymore).
it was a far bigger deal when actually good helikillers were still active.
i think its not a big deal anymore.
if you have problems locating helis then i suggest you to turn up the game volume or look at the radar before you leave your vehicle.
the point is: once you saw the heli it can be a funny fight against it. even though it is highly annoying to get your fight ruined by a helicopter guy.
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No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Also, hk requires high skills to be performed, so you can't use the excuse of "lame and cheap killing".
And it's true that in real life nobody does hk, but Samp is a game whose main feature is the freedom to play the way you want, and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
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and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
examples?
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and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
examples?
Hydras, Hunters, Vortexes, Seasparrows, RC cars, RC Barons, jetpacks, miniguns, grenades, molotovs, flamethrowers, rocketlaunchers, spraycans, fire extinguishers... do I have to mention more?? ???
Of course I'm not suggesting to have all these things in the main dm world, because that would be chaotic, but some of them could be available in duel arena, in minigames, parallel worlds or special islands on the ocean without parallel worlds.
Also, they don't need to add new vehicles and weapons to increase the features of the server, they can script things for the current vehicles/weapons: aircombats, airraces, etc. But that's another topic...
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or remove the damage of the heliblades to players. You could also reduce the damage of the heliblades to players ( if that is possible ), i can live with that too, no question, so it doesnt happen that a player dies within one single second, when he actually has 100-200 hp or so.
i am sure that both is impossible.
my oppinion:
i neither like helikill nor i think that it ruins the server (anymore).
it was a far bigger deal when actually good helikillers were still active.
i think its not a big deal anymore.
if you have problems locating helis then i suggest you to turn up the game volume or look at the radar before you leave your vehicle.
the point is: once you saw the heli it can be a funny fight against it. even though it is highly annoying to get your fight ruined by a helicopter guy.
i dont know with what nicks you're currently playing on this server. But fact is, there are still helikillers online ( if you need names: Nx Meow , Nx Disco, Patilla, carpediem, orn3t etc..) , and most of them do it constantly...
Means: Come online, grab a heli, annoy people nonstop with killing them when fighting others and stuff, log off.
i didnt said it ruins the server, but it makes it less attractive. ( thats my opinion, some share it, some doesnt. )
And actually i dont want to focus on radar all the time, i dont come online to locate helicopters anywhere, just to avoid getting killed within one second by their blades.
No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Also, hk requires high skills to be performed, so you can't use the excuse of "lame and cheap killing".
And it's true that in real life nobody does hk, but Samp is a game whose main feature is the freedom to play the way you want, and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
would a rule that forbids killing peoples with heliblades, destroy your fun hunting / fighting them with rustlers ? i doubt that.
it indeed is cheap and lame, thats my opinion , you dont have to share it.
but i also agree, that it affords some skills to kill peoples with heliblades, that wont change the fact anyhow, that it is extremely annoying.
yea, lw's has not too many features , which can be used by peoples, who are not admins.
but helikilling has absolutely nothing to do with it, also i never seen you helikilling before, so it's a bit weird, why you're defending them. :) but it's still your right.
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Hydras,
overpowered
Hunters,
overpowered
Vortexes,
overpowered
Seasparrows,
overpowered
RC cars,
retarded
RC Barons,
i agree, this one could be added to planning department
jetpacks,
overpowered
miniguns,
overpowered
grenades,
overpowered
molotovs,
overpowered
flamethrowers,
overpowered
rocketlaunchers,
overpowered
spraycans,
overpowered
fire extinguishers...
overpowered
adding this shit weapons to da causes 2 things:
- it might affect the weapon hack auto ban, it might be a big deal to implement this without causing wrong bans.
- this weapons can be abused to push your stats without getting noticed
also this crap weapons are only funny for a few duels, then its just boring. also you can join one of the few events with fun weapons.
do I have to mention more?? ???
do i?
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Should be added a punishment , like the db-kill one , which destroys your tyres.
One of them is the one which takes hp from heli's pilot or the one which takes like 500hp from the helicopter.
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Bike and Gryphus, stay on topic pls.
Helikilling is only a problem when hk interrupts fight, but if a guy on foot interrupted it, it wouldnt be less annoying for me. Fighting with helis is fun, I love it and I consider myself good at it :D
Well what can I say, if a heli manages to creep to you, it's all your foult. Learn to check the radar all the time, thats the first advice I give to newbies on Lw. You hear a shot - check radar. You hear a heli -check radar. It is really the best possible reaction for almost everything ;d
And Im not a helikiller, I cant fly for shit. Im more like a killer OF helis xd
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Should be added a punishment , like the db-kill one , which destroys your tyres.
One of them is the one which takes hp from heli's pilot or the one which takes like 500hp from the helicopter.
hey forgive, thats actually a really nice suggestion.
should be defenitely considered !
Bike and Gryphus, stay on topic pls.
Helikilling is only a problem when hk interrupts fight, but if a guy on foot interrupted it, it wouldnt be less annoying for me. Fighting with helis is fun, I love it and I consider myself good at it :D
Well what can I say, if a heli manages to creep to you, it's all your foult. Learn to check the radar all the time, thats the first advice I give to newbies on Lw. You hear a shot - check radar. You hear a heli -check radar. It is really the best possible reaction for almost everything ;d
And Im not a helikiller, I cant fly for shit. Im more like a killer OF helis xd
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sorry but, not ever1 like sto have gta sound on... i always play with my own sound.
and "learn to check the radar all the time" that doesnt fit in this case. ( my opinion )
and what you said about "it is your fault if a heli manages to creep you" , to that i can answer: if i notice a helicopter on radar, he catch me like in 2/100 cases.
but that's totally not what im talking about in this topic. im talking about those cases, where you are busy with fights, exit a vehicle or maybe you come out of a 24/7 , ammunation or whatever
and how would you manage to see the heli on radar if so? ( if you exit a building i mean ) cause the radar needs some reaction time, same as you.
and then you're most likely already dead
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No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Agree. It's fun to become a helikiller-killer and it's really annoying for those in helicopter.
so: Just sit in a rustler and shoot down those helis over police department and north ammu!
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No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Agree. It's fun to become a helikiller-killer and it's really annoying for those in helicopter.
so: Just sit in a rustler and shoot down those helis over police department and north ammu!
not every1 is able to fly a rustler as properly as you and some others, to hunt / kill them.
the solution for that is to practice...every1 knows i guess.
but to use this as an argument is as ignorant as if i'd say, okay helikillers, if you cannot kill me on foot , then improve your skills on foot instead helikilling.
To repeat: i really like the suggestion of Forgive in here. I never said im only for a rule that forbids helikills.
im open for more suggestions, which could make the gameplay even with helikillers , more comfortable for everyone
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Also, hk requires high skills to be performed
rofl, this is a big myth being told for years in here...even if you suck at helikilling, when you drive a heli in the crowd fighting, they don't mind at you while shooting and it's sooooooooooo easy to make even multiple helikills, so this is a good lie ::)
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Ive tried a few times. Always failed :( oh, wait! Once ive killed a guy who was afk!
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No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Also, hk requires high skills to be performed, so you can't use the excuse of "lame and cheap killing".
And it's true that in real life nobody does hk, but Samp is a game whose main feature is the freedom to play the way you want, and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
Weren't you one of the main guys wanting hk to be removed.
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No man, don't remove hk!!!! it's fun to chase hkers with Rustlers. :)
Also, hk requires high skills to be performed, so you can't use the excuse of "lame and cheap killing".
And it's true that in real life nobody does hk, but Samp is a game whose main feature is the freedom to play the way you want, and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
Weren't you one of the main guys wanting hk to be removed.
Lol me? no, never!!! I have always defended hk, despite of not being an hker myself.
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You can easy avoid a helikill.
at north ammunation? i don't think so...if you often stay there (and most of players do) fighting someone, you won't realize when a heli is coming to chop you, as Murder said...
Getting helikilled can be even funny sometimes, but not when you're fighting on foot and every 2 minutes comes an helikiller to slay you while you were duelling someone in the streets :/
a good solution would be the one suggested by Murder, that is at every kill the helicopter receives a damage of some hp (that can be half of the total or whatever)
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and LW is already a server in which you cannot enjoy many Samp's features, so don't remove another!!!
examples?
Hydras, Hunters, Vortexes, Seasparrows, RC cars, RC Barons, jetpacks, miniguns, grenades, molotovs, flamethrowers, rocketlaunchers, spraycans, fire extinguishers.
Funny how when other people suggest stuff like hidden blips for example you say "but what about the poor noobies they will be abused!" but now you mention all these overpowered weapons and you don't say anything about the noobies being abused by these.
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He wants to remove all the good stuff (all benefits of being registered and making money) because noobs might have an 'unfair' disadvantage. Which is crap because everyone has equal chances. Don't turn shit around because you're just too lame to learn other stuff besides flying a rustler. You turn the gamemode into gaymode when you remove all fun stuff because you don't want people to become too good at what they do and they can't do shit with their money. Like a hidden blip, it's NOT unfair because people earned the money to buy the blip. The concept is: die, die and die again (or survive) and eventually you have gained skills and a filled bank and some friends who you can play with. But ofcourse Gryphus doesn't need to do anything like that he does everything the other way around and everyone should play the game according to his 'vision'. We should pet new players and hug them and give them stuff like free money.
Ontopic, I agree there are too many choppers around Las Venturas. You can find 2 Mavericks on the LV airport, there's one on the strip, one on the roof near police dept and one on the roof of Vrock hotel. So that's 5 mavericks all within reach in about 2 minutes. So to remove 2 of them wouldn't be bad, I suggest to leave the other choppers (transporters I forgot the name) because they're too heavy to make fast helikills, could be challenging for those who insist to do helikills :P
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Don't turn shit around because you're just too lame to learn other stuff besides flying a rustler. You turn the gamemode into gaymode when you remove all fun stuff because you don't want people to become too good at what they do and they can't do shit with their money.
That explains gryphus all the way ^^
There is no point voting about this because ultimately its their (management, and other important scripting admins) decision, and thats the only thing that will get implemented. Which i dont think is bad because as they say "They earned it!"
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just remove few helicopters so there arent 5 heli's chasing you at the same time
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just remove few helicopters so there arent 5 heli's chasing you at the same time
this
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yeah tell em how it is meff, since ur clanless wanna join mob??
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Hydras, Hunters, Vortexes, Seasparrows, RC cars, RC Barons, jetpacks, miniguns, grenades, molotovs, flamethrowers, rocketlaunchers, spraycans, fire extinguishers.
Funny how when other people suggest stuff like hidden blips for example you say "but what about the poor noobies they will be abused!" but now you mention all these overpowered weapons and you don't say anything about the noobies being abused by these.
What is funny is how you get things out of context: I'm against hidden blips because they would be too expensive, so only rich regulars could afford it while poor newbies couldn't, meaning that the game would be even more unbalanced than how it is already now. However, when I suggest all those "overpowered" weapons and vehicles, I suggest them to be in duel arena, minigames, parallel worlds or mapped islands that would be separated from the main dm world and that everyone could join freely. For this very same reason, I'm not against hidden blip for racers as long as it's given to all of them.
But believe me that if someone ever suggested a buyable Hydra in the main dm world, I would be totally against it.
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everybody has the same opportunity to make $ so your post is completly invalid. as always. fuck off gryphus.
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everybody has the same opportunity to make $ so your post is completly invalid. as always. fuck off gryphus.
looooooooooooooooool
yeah, he always forgets everybody started as a newbie, and seems that nowaday for newbies everything must be easy or they won't be able to go on...man, if they never earn things on their own, they will never become good players, this is the point.
anyway Gryphus, i don't get why reading your posts it seems like i'm always reading the same one...you always repeat yourself, but we ain't that idiots trust me, there's no need to say thousand of times the same things.. please spare us :/
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He wants to remove all the good stuff (all benefits of being registered and making money)
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You turn the gamemode into gaymode when you remove all fun
LOL, me removing all the good stuff and all the fun?? it's indeed me who wants the server to implement a wider variety of things to do!!! but of course not at the cost of unbalancing the game even more.
Like a hidden blip, it's NOT unfair because people earned the money to buy the blip.
Yeah sure, so if one day you work in real life and your boss exploits you like a slave, it will NOT be unfair because hey, he earned that position!!! or if one day a judge decides to jail you for no reason, it will NOT be unfair either, because he earned his job too!! and so on and on...
And when someone tryied to stop all of that, your boss and the judge would say "he wants to remove the benefits of having a good job"... ::)
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lol at you comparing things in real life (btw serious situations) with samp's ones... (https://littlewhiteys.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forum.tek-squad.com%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Ffacepalm.gif&hash=04c674add84dace20c2574bea6febe9f07571264) has nothin to do with your examples and it makes no sense
and also...you repeated once again the same things you aaaaalways write, shit you rly can't help but doing it dude :-\
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Gryphus, I've made this scheme to show you how the system works.
^ (easy)
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________-------------------- | ease of making money
newbie random regular regular |
(hard)
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START FINISH!!!
As we all know it's good to have money, as it gives us opportunities, that poor people just... don't have. So from the graph you can easily notice, that regulars have an advantage above newbies, wich is the ease of making money, cause they know the server. You can't change it. Life will always be easier for those, who are experienced.
HOWEVER, what you can also find out by analysing the scheme, every single one of us started as a newbie, and made his name to the point, that is named "FINISH", what made him a regular... What is more, 99,9% of those consider it as a normal and only one possible way of existing. Where the 0,01% (approximately) is you!
Sorry man, but FINISH has to be better than START. Otherwise people won't get to the finish, cause for what?
I agree, that this progress is now quite difficult, though. But believe me, that the START is much easier now, than it was a while ago. The problem is lack of things reasons for regulars to fight each other, and I hope it will be sorted out in the next version. Thats my opinion at least ;)
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Anyone can gimme some cheats to become a regular i am still a newbie :(
hmmm btw what does this topic go about now atm ?
Helikills should be allowed and thats it.
I guess the suggestion topic should be closed for some time and only the developers are allowed to start topics and the players decide then ...
Because atm its only useless shit whats posted in here...
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Haven't read all of the posts but oh well...
If you're thinking to remove Helikilling perhaps you should take into consideration removing Drive-by first, it's more annoying..helikillers maybe dodged with ease, or at least more easily than drive-by'ers :+
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Don't remove driveby. Just because some guys don't know how to fight another way doesn't mean nobody should use driveby anymore. It's the only effective way to stop a vehicle if you're tailing it, endlessly ramming destroys your own car as well so that's not something we want. A possible way to reduce db could be to count the amount of db kills someone made. For example when you make more than 5 db kills in half an hour your ability to db will be disabled untill you die again. Another way to calculate could be by a percentage of db kills on a total number of kills. I never really thought deep about this but there are sure ways to demotivate excessive db'ers. Just popping your tires doesn't cut it because they still can manage to get away and come back to try again.
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Lol guys...
this post was first opened, if u would allow me for a sec to remind u of that, because of hk issues.
In the last days, reading in LWs forums, i again and again saw the same thing, i dont know if anyone else experienced it by now, but was very clear visible to me:
Someone opens up a topic, no matter for what reason, and after at least the 5th - 7th post it became a topic about gamemode and server quality, newbie support and so on.
I know this is an important issue, and im aware it cant be fully left out in this discussion tho.
Anyway i would strongly encourage the ppl writing about the mentioned points here to open up a server quality thread, for having this discussion taken to a higher official level and at the same time prevent ppl from abusing normal threads for speaking their mind about things which got nothing todo with the main issue of the post.
There were some good discussion facts tho, i think they deserve a own topic, as much as the hk-topic deserves an clean unspammed discussion too.
>>back to topic: MANNNNZZZZ
helikilling is a part of samp now since when? and when did the first LWers complain about it? I mean, i understand that ppl could get annoyed and mad when being owned again and again by helikill, but i would encourage especially those to ask themselves: wouldnt u get mad too if u are spawnraped again and again on foot without heli? and the second question u should ask ur self is: who cares?
SAMP, fellows, and i want to make that point perfectly clear, is a GAME. now guess what? in a game u can PLAY. and guess what again? since this is online game, there are other ppl playing TOO. Heavy Shit huh? If one player keeps hk, there are as many as simple opportunitys to get by with it:
1st: kill the bitch again, its DM!,
2nd: GTFO this place and do something else, until someone other killed him,
3rd: Grab a heli and do the same shit! who knows, maybe he is hk because its fun?
4th: Oh, u aint got no heliskills, but u want to do 3? no problem, just go and practise helikillin, no big deal, 3 (nolifers) to 6 (lifers) weeks max.
5th: /giveafuck (ofcourse this command doesnt work if u are a statswhore or used /careaboutstats before)
6th: if the conditions of 5 apply try out /rq and re-assemble ur self contiousness at COD4 or some...
or ofcourse u can do the following, and its ur unharmed right to do that ofc:
1st: /q to avoid death because u so mad about a helicopter guy, that u dont care about server rules anymore
2nd: start FLAMING THAT CHUBBY MOTHERFUCKER COCKSUCKER FUCKOFF BIATCH U ANNOY ME THTS Y I ANNOY ALL NOW WITH MY FLAMMING!!
3rd: /care (WARNING: the extensive use of that command can lead to heart attacks!)
4th: Go whine to mummy (or forum) cause u mad u got owned and unable to accept that there might be a player that has more skills than urself.
U see, there are nuff things to do about it.
U may now ask urself, why the list doesnt contain the punishing or removing of helikill. Well then ask urself first why u think this should happen? (if u do think that ofc :))
Is it because u got OWNED and /care to much about it? just look at ur stats, and i bet ull find out that this wasnt the first time u died, and trust me: it wont be the last. And know what? If u die, u spawn again afterwards, isnt that great? a death should be normally ending a life, but not here man, crazy shit huh? guess what u can die so many times u want man, ever heard of something like that haaaa nice man and u know why this is? Cause its a GAME!
Anyway, helikillin is a option the game provides to anybody, if u dont use it, its ok, but dont expect others to not use it either then (like a friend of mine was always runnin round with sniper and deagle and was going mad as shit like "PUT THAT MOTHERFUCKING THING AWAY" when i owned him with rocketlauncher :))
And if u feel u were killed to much, well then maybe death match simply isnt ur gamemode.
This server is death match, which means its all about killin other players in the ways the game provides. if u want a feature to be removed, cause u are annoyed and have no skills at the explicit way which was used to kill u, u should think about, that the other player maybe hasnt got skills on ur prefferred killing procedure and likes to do it that way.
If u remove helikilling, u may prevent 2-3 players from /rq cause they annoyed. But u have in the same place 10-15 players who are pro in helikillin and failin in other disciplins now they go to other servers were helikillin is still allowed, and they maybe never come back unlike the annoyed /rqers.
Death Match is a give and get, u can own, but u have to accept to get owned also, thats my opinion. U cant rule the whole world alone, not even in gaming. And if u got a problem with that, feel free to search a server which matches better ur opinion of a dm (4530 servers currently waiting to be explored by u).
Thank u all for listening! and note that, when i use "u" i dont intend to create any offence to a named person, this u is only for adressing those of u who feel adressed by this issue.
I love u all and i love LWs
all take care and keep ur head up! cya ingame.
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I fully agree with Enzo, it's 100% truth, that's all I can say. And I want to apoligise for my OT ;)
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Reading that guy's story 100 procent agreed u should consider making stats not visible, or only for them self so other ppl can't see their stats so their e-dick wont grow when they say wow u got 1020102ratio cause they can't see it!
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I fully agree with Enzo, it's 100% truth, that's all I can say. And I want to apoligise for my OT ;)
lol ty, but it aint a 100% truth, its just my opinion. btw hey a little bit OT isnt bad at all, many issues can't be discussed well without considering some linked facts, that may not fit 100% in the topic. It just occured to me that the above mentioned discussion is going through nearly all boards i read in the last weeks and spreads massively, thats y i thought it might need an own topic, maybe i will host it tho, cause its a important issue in means of improving this server.
Reading that guy's story 100 procent agreed u should consider making stats not visible, or only for them self so other ppl can't see their stats so their e-dick wont grow when they say wow u got 1020102ratio cause they can't see it!
XD ye the growing e-dick, i rofld myself 15mins thats a good saying man lmao.
No dont make stats invisible man, where i show around my 0.06ratio then? :-\ thats a record, even lower then gryphus, he said, XD.
But i get ur point, ye. Having stats visible for all supports statswhoredevelopment massively. Theres a simple way to get around this: dont care about stats AND show that u dont care. So if someone comes up saying "Yo look my stats n00b" just answer "/care?" or something. Ofc not evrybody should do this, what would /dontcarestats be worth without statswhores to drive mad :) but at least some more then now.
Dont let the statswhores conquer LWs!!!;)