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What do players think about gambling? should it stay? should it be removed?
On one side without gambling
-No more unbalanced cash.
-No more casino gamblers banned wrongfully for cash hacks.
-More people running around participating in the Deathmatch zone.
-Would make server-controlled money system possible. This means, that there won't be any more cash cheaters around, EVER.
With
-Easier to get cash.
-One less place to be a tard and idle to get away from someone about to kill you.
Of course as most of you probably noticed, there's more and more ways to get cash now and there's many more to come.
Please vote and give arguments for or against removing the current casino system.
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Remove.
Could everyone that reads this please vote & reply.
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I voted no, I like to chill and gamble once in a while myself. Just make people pay to gamble 1st, like a gambling license.
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Voted yes, mainly because it breaks the servers' economy, and it would also make a server-sided controlled money system possible, and would remove cash cheaters once for all.
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I voted for removal. Cash balance gets screwed up quickly with good gamblers. And I'm not a gambler myself...
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Remove. Pretty annoying when you work your ass off with properties and then suddenly some random nab win a few millions and comes and buys out all your props. Make making cash even harder and it will be much better. :D
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5 votes for no but only one post with a no response... Shout out your opinions people!
(please no posts of -this is good idea or just this is bad idea-, please)
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Yes, gambling screws up the balance and is too easy if you get how to do it (which i dont know).
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I said yes, but I often find myself gambling when I'm bored... So instead of removing it completely, maybe set a max bet limit? Or as someone else suggested, buy a gambling license.
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Voted No - Gambling is fun and if your good at it a nice way to make some "easy" cash and fun.
If a "gambling licence" was introduced, an idea might be a way for mods/admins to tell if a person has brought that licence (if a player without such a permit is gamblign and winning = hax).
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Voted No - Gambling is fun and if your good at it a nice way to make some "easy" cash and fun.
If a "gambling licence" was introduced, an idea might be a way for mods/admins to tell if a person has brought that licence (if a player without such a permit is gamblign and winning = hax).
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Voted yes because, if some random nub wins a couple million they just got that cash without the fun of it...just luck then pretty soon they will have a full bank account and get bored then just leave. Mainly because they don't have a good deathmatch experience of what the gamemode is REALLY about.
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-More people running around participating in the Deathmatch zone.
-This means, that there won't be any more cash cheaters around, EVER.
...mainly because it breaks the servers' economy, and it would also make a server-sided controlled money system possible, and would remove cash cheaters once for all.
For this reasons i voted YES
But on other hand, gambling is a part of the game :-[, I like gambling, despite the fact I always loose ;D
I hope a limit could be established for gambling, like 100k...
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When I first read the OP, I was pretty vehemently on the "WTF? NO!" side of things...
However now that I've thought about it some, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea... but I do think that other ways of earning money need to be added before it is removed.
Sometime today or tomorrow I'll try to go into the server under a fake name to see how hard it is to get a start as a noob without gambling. Until then, I'm abstaining from the poll.
-Would make server-controlled money system possible. This means, that there won't be any more cash cheaters around, EVER.
This isn't true, as there's still lag and pausing. Certainly there would be less of them, but to say that there will be none at all is a bit far-fetched.
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Voted No - Gambling is fun and if your good at it a nice way to make some "easy" cash and fun.
If a "gambling licence" was introduced, an idea might be a way for mods/admins to tell if a person has brought that licence (if a player without such a permit is gamblign and winning = hax).
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Vote yes on propisition 4qd
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When I first read the OP, I was pretty vehemently on the "WTF? NO!" side of things...
However now that I've thought about it some, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea... but I do think that other ways of earning money need to be added before it is removed.
Sometime today or tomorrow I'll try to go into the server under a fake name to see how hard it is to get a start as a noob without gambling. Until then, I'm abstaining from the poll.
-Would make server-controlled money system possible. This means, that there won't be any more cash cheaters around, EVER.
This isn't true, as there's still lag and pausing. Certainly there would be less of them, but to say that there will be none at all is a bit far-fetched.
Without gambling detecting that will be 100% foolproof, yes, I am sure.
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ill miss good ol "bank_of_sa" :(
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-Would make server-controlled money system possible. This means, that there won't be any more cash cheaters around, EVER.
This isn't true, as there's still lag and pausing. Certainly there would be less of them, but to say that there will be none at all is a bit far-fetched.
No Chainer, there would be none at all. It would make possible a server-sided money system. Unless they know Popz's server user and password, can edit their SQL database information and increase their bank money, there would be no way to money cheat. Instead of showing an increase, it would just set the player's money to what it was before the increase. We won't be able to ban the cash cheaters actually, but their cheats would have no effect whatsoever.
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Without gambling detecting that will be 100% foolproof, yes, I am sure.
Well if you think so, I trust what you're saying, as you probably know what you're talking about a lot more than me...
(edit: same to Zam, I didn't know that was possible)
Anyway:
If gambling isn't removed though, I think the "gambling license" is a very bad idea. Paying a few 100K barely affects the people who are really good at gambling and go in a casino and come out with millions (i.e., what we're talking about stopping in this thread), but it makes it very hard for the people who like to gamble just for fun but don't earn much doing it.
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No Chainer, there would be none at all. It would make possible a server-sided money system. Unless they know Popz's server user and password, can edit their SQL database information and increase their bank money, there would be no way to money cheat. Instead of showing an increase, it would just set the player's money to what it was before the increase. We won't be able to ban the cash cheaters actually, but their cheats would have no effect whatsoever.
err off topic:
But that includes if i pause and im with props?
on topic:
i like the license idea :D
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No Chainer, there would be none at all. It would make possible a server-sided money system. Unless they know Popz's server user and password, can edit their SQL database information and increase their bank money, there would be no way to money cheat. Instead of showing an increase, it would just set the player's money to what it was before the increase. We won't be able to ban the cash cheaters actually, but their cheats would have no effect whatsoever.
err off topic:
But that includes if i pause and im with props?
on topic:
i like the license idea :D
Yep.
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i voted no there are alot ways to make cash and i suck in all of them im only good in gammble
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i voted no there are alot ways to make cash and i suck in all of them im only good in gammble
Well, get better in them then. Properties arent hard.
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I like gambling, so i said no..
Even tough this was a pretty good idea with more ppl in DM but
gambling is such a good way to earn money.. :-\
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I like gambling, so i said no..
Even tough this was a pretty good idea with more ppl in DM but
gambling is such a good way to earn money.. :-\
Yeah, and thats the point. Its way to freaking easy, so you have money in no-time, and you get bored super fast.
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I like gambling, so i said no..
Even tough this was a pretty good idea with more ppl in DM but
gambling is such a good way to earn money.. :-\
Yeah, and thats the point. Its way to freaking easy, so you have money in no-time, and you get bored super fast.
Exactly. Getting money shouldn't be easy... The main point is deathmatch, and that's the way (besides other minigames) you should earn money. I've noticed alot of players started playing rampages, they are certainly doable, and you earn some good dough with them, while you are getting better at shooting! So only advantages there, gambling screws up the cash balance. I once managed to get a full bank off of a gambler, and he still had 7 million in his pocket.. That's not good, because they start putting ridiculous bounties, or just give it away or something, which isn't the purpose of the gamemode..
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I voted no, I like to chill and gamble once in a while myself. Just make people pay to gamble 1st, like a gambling license.
I like. One thing that makes littlewhiteys what it is is the gambling.. Vegas baby! One thing that I'd like to bring up is.. how about saving debts (possibly add a bank loan system too..)?
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how about saving debts (possibly add a bank loan system too..)?
Now that's another story. I'd like that too, however is it possible to do that without saving weapons?
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Slightly off topic: I made a new account and have played for 6hours with 4million without asking for cash or gambling.
(to on topic)
However, unless you know the server well and how/where to make money you cant make money that fast and so you go gambling to try and earn a lil cash, for weps so you can kill people.
Also, if this is about "gambling isnt the point of DM" then why not just give people weapons and say "kill all"? cus then its pure DM. LW's (imo) was never a "purist" DM server - there are so many other things to do, like raceing, gambling, gangs, territories, Fluffy, killing (in ANY way possible) and so much more. LW's always tried to keep the 'spirit' of GTA with so many things to do and not just come on and go "oh i have to kill people".
Also, if people get bored of gambling, surely they would get bored of DMing all the time? Gamblings a nice litle rest.
Further, i meant hte gambling licence so admins/mods could still detect cash haxors and not so much to stop people from gambling. If your good at gambling i say go do it, if your good at DMing, go do that!
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No, people may win a few million off it with ease, but its easy to lose a few million as well. And its nice to just chill there and gamble once in a while.
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No, people may win a few million off it with ease, but its easy to lose a few million as well. And its nice to just chill there and gamble once in a while.
Yeah, and then those homos disconnect for 5 mins and come back online to start again, and win like 4 mil.
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when i lose or come in badly debt with gammble im mad and blame the blackjack guy and leave for like 30mins 1hour or more come back and dont gammble again cuz i dont wnna lose again i win sometimes 4mill but i lost some days so much that my bank was just 100k left i lost alot and won alot dont remove it!!!!!!
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i accidently voted no when i was gonna vote yes. :-\ i blame my brother
You can change your vote now. But I don't think it'll make a huge difference. :(
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NO! I honestly spend more time gambling and getting e-monies than I do fighting...
And don't get rid of fighting in casinos, I enjoy getting sprees while I gamble, also, some servers have 'gambling licenses', ewww, just ewww.
eDiT: Wait, it's set in Vegas. Most of the fighting is on the bloody strip! Removing gambling is not 'in the spirit of the server'.
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I voted yes remove but only with the condition 2 remove permenant banking system...
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I never gamble, so i didnt took anything in the poll.
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I vote for NO ....i like to gamble just set a max bet limit ...esy 4 all ;D ;D ;D
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If it really makes us cash cheater free: REMOVE IT!
I like gambling too, even if I often loose.
But if real pro gambers got their luck, it is really unbalanced.
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I hear you all...
Gambling = Easy money
But when you have a full bank account, you have one thing less to look forward too.
Competition brings better gameplay to the server.. And the cheater thing, wow one thing less to have to look out for. Imagine if instead of gambling there was lottery or some sort of simple scripted gambling feature... Could be nice, but I doubt I'm going to get the gamblers' vote to remove it, no matter what sense I make.
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If gambling isn't removed, here's another option:
Make it so that if someone with a debt leaves for more than 10 minutes (or whatever the time is to get weapons/money reset), their debt gets subtracted from their bank account.
For example:
I have $-500,000 on me, and $2,000,000 in my bank. I leave the game for an hour. When I come back, I'll have $1,500,000 in my bank, and will spawn with the regular $500.
This would at least get rid of the strategy where you gamble until you have a $1,000,000 debt, quit, and come back in 15 minutes and it's all gone.
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If gambling isn't removed, here's another option:
Make it so that if someone with a debt leaves for more than 10 minutes (or whatever the time is to get weapons/money reset), their debt gets subtracted from their bank account.
For example:
I have $-500,000 on me, and $2,000,000 in my bank. I leave the game for an hour. When I come back, I'll have $1,500,000 in my bank, and will spawn with the regular $500.
This would at least get rid of the strategy where you gamble until you have a $1,000,000 debt, quit, and come back in 15 minutes and it's all gone.
I agree with Chainer, It's not fair that gamblers log out for 15 minutes and comeback and their debt is gone. In a way, I consider that as bug abuse.
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Keep it! ;)
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Slightly off topic: I made a new account and have played for 6hours with 4million without asking for cash or gambling.
(to on topic)
However, unless you know the server well and how/where to make money you cant make money that fast and so you go gambling to try and earn a lil cash, for weps so you can kill people.
Also, if this is about "gambling isnt the point of DM" then why not just give people weapons and say "kill all"? cus then its pure DM. LW's (imo) was never a "purist" DM server - there are so many other things to do, like raceing, gambling, gangs, territories, Fluffy, killing (in ANY way possible) and so much more. LW's always tried to keep the 'spirit' of GTA with so many things to do and not just come on and go "oh i have to kill people".
Also, if people get bored of gambling, surely they would get bored of DMing all the time? Gamblings a nice litle rest.
Further, i meant hte gambling licence so admins/mods could still detect cash haxors and not so much to stop people from gambling. If your good at gambling i say go do it, if your good at DMing, go do that!
Can everyone sit and think about what Ace said for a second? Gambling is awesome, even though it put me in debt when i came with the intent to make money, it's still really cool, and it needs to stay. Sometimes people get bored of just mass killing people or fighting, and in Little Whitey's you have the choice to do other things like race, gamble, and so on.
I also don't know what you guys mean when you say it's easy. I had 17k when i went into 4 dragons, and I came out in debt 5k. Please just keep the gambling, it's fine how it is.
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It just ruins the game cash flow/balance..
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It just ruins the game cash flow/balance..
How? I don't really understand.
The reasons to have money: car modifications for races, weapons, properties, and that's about it
Ways to get money: Races, Challanges, Minigames, Gambling, Rampages, Properties.
If somebody really sucks at fighting, then they race for cash. If they suck at racing, then perhaps they gamble for cash. You can't really expect everyone to be pro, and forced into winning 1st ,2nd or even 3rd place at every race, gambling is always there just as a means for cash, and the experience i've had with it tells me it's very hard.. Especially for noobs, which is what you guys are worried about? The good gamblers are probably pro, and if they didn't make that money gambling they probably could have made it just as easy doing something else.
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What Slice means is people can easily get millions, and if they end up in debt they can just /q and come back. I myself timed how fast you can get to the 1million table (playing blackjack that is) and it's in less then 15minutes. Then sometimes they die, so lots of people get the cash millions of it, then this person is full of cash and just bounties everyone or simply gives it out, hence ruining the balance.
Also, one day I joined the server and about 5-10 people were gambling in the casino, all you have to do is press tab and you see outrageously big numbers.
I like what chainer said, taking debt directly from your bank.
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It just ruins the game cash flow/balance..
How? I don't really understand.
Probably you dont know how to gable with the big money. When you raise your gambling skill, you can get a lot of freaking money at blackjack(?). And im talking about millions. To easy, maybe a limit would be cool, but removing it completely would be fine too, for the server, and the cheaters.
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gammblers maybe have lots money but u can always kill them thats one thing i like about gammbling tho :D
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I think no[/b]. In gambling i earned 75% money . So gambling helps,who not good at fighting or haves not much money .
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gammblers maybe have lots money but u can always kill them thats one thing i like about gammbling tho :D
Most of the time they wait like 30 mins untill they leave..or they return to their table. And i dont have so much patience :(
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gammblers maybe have lots money but u can always kill them thats one thing i like about gammbling tho :D
It doesn't matter if they will be killed or not.
What about if the bet limit would be 100k or even less than that? In this way we'll go to gamble just for fun or to get some easy money, but not too much. If you are really good at it you could earn about 1 mil or 1,5 .
I'd like you people think a little more about this thread. If you don't want gambling to be deleted because that's the only way you can get money, try other ways to get it: Races, Challanges, Minigames, Rampages, Properties.
If you are not good enough to get money by doing races or fighting, buy proprieties (don't be lazy >:(). Why do you always choose the easiest option?
If a lot of money will be broght into the game, the money will no longer have value if everbody is full of money. Don't you think? Please take your time to think about it, and those vots with no arguments, I think it should be deleted.
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Gambling gotta stay imo :). Brandon would agree I think too ;).
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Oh and if it's removed and it is harder for us to make cash, goodbye race hosting... Well, hello 'ADMIN PLZ HOST RACE'.
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Well, maybe complete removal of gambling is not smart, but a limit would do the trick i think.
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blackjack with100k is ok but roulette with 100k is broring :-\
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/Agree with Wicker
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Well, maybe complete removal of gambling is not smart, but a limit would do the trick i think.
Not possible to limit it.
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Well, maybe complete removal of gambling is not smart, but a limit would do the trick i think.
Not possible to limit it.
then let it stay :(
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Well, maybe complete removal of gambling is not smart, but a limit would do the trick i think.
Not possible to limit it.
What about a limit in time? So that you only can stay in the casino for 10 mins every hour/45 mins whatsoever.
Otherwise, delete it or only let the small casino open :V
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love to gamble with what i have leftover :-X
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Ich think it should not be removed ...
you could set as limit to bet 100.000$ and remove 1 mil
that would be better ... ;D
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Ich think it should not be removed ...
you could set as limit to bet 100.000$ and remove 1 mil
that would be better ... ;D
Not possible
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Ich think it should not be removed ...
you could set as limit to bet 100.000$ and remove 1 mil
that would be better ... ;D
Not possible to limit it.
Read the thread before. ;)
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Then dont remove it :D :D
its just a part of the game and that should it bee ;) ;)
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i think best think to do would make it so u would have to buy like a gambling permit in like city gambling department if ppl have probs with gambling like in the special shop place even thought that makes it more like rp style otherwise just leave it not rlly a big prob if ppl make a lot of money helps new ppl anyways with races etc if they kill someone with alot of money
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I think the ideas were exposed, the poll speaks for itself and there's not much more to talk about here.
-Gambling will most probably not be removed.
The idea I like best is the one Chainer had about not removing Debts, that they go straight to the bank account.