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Some ideas...
« on: March 09, 2010, 08:30:30 PM »
Edit(scott): Some already suggested, rest rejected.

Well, I'm a bit worried because I have the feeling that these last days the server is getting a bit empty and has less action. There are even some admins who I used to see very often and that I haven't seen for some days, like S3rs, Nelly or DoodWithRedHat. Today, there's even a player who has told me that is about to leave LW, and also many people have told me that some time ago, there used to be more than 100 players whereas now we are lucky if we have 30...

We cannot let this happen, LW has been one of the most important servers in SAMP, and when I played in some other servers and mentioned LW for any reason, many people knew it, so we should do some things to bring it back to life. I have some ideas that should be scriptable:

1-Team races: I told this idea some weeks ago to one or two admins and they seemed to like it. This idea is based on this thread and the complaints of some racers about Rustlers shooting them. Well, my idea is that there were some races with two teams (for example, blue and red, or black and white), and each team has some cars and some Rustlers. The planes of each team must destroy the cars of the opposite team, and the team which gets one of its cars in first position wins. This could lead to different strategies, like for example use the Rustlers to shoot down the planes of the other team while letting the cars running on their own (which would led to a classic dodfight and a classic race). Also the strategic part of this competition would be reflected in the number of members of the teams: with more members, more chances to win, but also the price would be splitted between more people and less money for each one. It would be even possible to have a team with, on the same number of members, more cars and fewer planes or viceversa: with more cars, more chances to get one of them in first place, but with more planes, more possibilities to destroy the cars of the other team.

You could also include some new stats, like number of times in the winning team and number of races you have actually won.

With this racing mode, Rustlers shooting would not be an annoyance, but a part of the game itself!!
Also, to avoid all cars from being destroyed in the first minute of the race, the races could be (at least the first part of them) in some difficult to fly in places, like downtown SF and LS (with many buildings).

2-Autohosted races: I think one of the reasons why there are few races, apart from Rustlers ruining them, is that they are too expensive to host. I think the system could host some of them automatically from time to time, and this would also be an opportunity for people to earn some extra money. If you the admins don't want the system to give much money to the players, you can reduce the prices.

3-Red Bull Air Race: there could be some races involving planes, in which they would have to fly through some checkpoints. I think that in San Andreas' history mode there's a mission in the flying school in which you have to do that.
I think Rustlers should not be allowed to participate in these races because no one would want to be in first position with his rivals shooting him from behind, but like in the current car races, players outside the race could use Rustlers to shoot the racers.
There could be different tracks: some with tight and sharp corners (for example, between the buildings), in which the best planes would be Dodo and Stuntplane, and others with more straight parts in which Shamal's high top-end speed would give you the advantage.

4-Boat races: the same, but with boats instead of cars, bikes or planes.

5-Vehicle deathmatching: with prices to the winners, similar to races, but destruction derbys with cars, helis or planes.

6-A limited use of Hydras and Hunters: these vehicles are forbidden because they are too powerful and any noob could abuse of them, something that I perfectly understand, but I think you could implement a system by which you could only use them to shoot other planes (for example, in the vehicle deathmatches of the point 5), whereas if you use them against cars or pedestrians you die, get jailed, unable to use these vehicles again for the next 10 minutes or even autokicked if you repeat two or three times.
You could also apply these rules to powerful weapons like bazooka, minigun and flamethrower, which are now forbidden for the same reason.

7-Not lose all the money you carry with you when you die: if you have much money in your pocket (for example, to host a race, buy a property or simply because someone has given it to you), it's very stressful that if you die you will lose it all. I think it would be ok if you lost a 25% (and that would be the money that remains when you die and that anyone can take), whereas the remaining 75% would still be in your pocket.

8-Weapons and armor: maybe this has been already suggested, but I found it annoying that when you disconnect, you lose all the weapons you had bought, I think they should be saved like your stats and the money in your bank. If you the admins think that this way people would accumulate too much ammo, you can make it more expensive.
And regarding the armor, I don't think it should be saved but it should be like weapons currently are: you lose them when you disconnect but not when you die, so you keep having them when you respawn.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 10:14:56 PM by AJP »

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 09:02:23 PM »
Well I don't think that the racing suggestions would really increase the number of players, but nvm, they're cool :P
ad. 1  I like it. Nothing to add.

ad. 2  Im neutral to this. Ussually when there are many players on the server there are enough races. Low prized races will not attract many ppl.

ad. 3  I like it, but a rustler option should be able too.

ad. 4  +1

ad. 5  +1

ad. 6  No. Reason: I don't like them  ;D

ad. 7  This will kill the server. Money is the last remaining thing that force ppl to fight each other.

ad. 8  I don't like it. I don't even like the normal spawn weapon feature as it makes the game really frusrating for newbies. I liked it how it was a long time ago, when nothing was saving when u disconnected (money, weps) and bank was only to keep money in it when u wanted to fight.


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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 09:12:48 PM »

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 09:15:08 PM »
tl;dr

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 10:06:45 PM »
ad. 8  I don't like it. I don't even like the normal spawn weapon feature as it makes the game really frusrating for newbies. I liked it how it was a long time ago, when nothing was saving when u disconnected (money, weps) and bank was only to keep money in it when u wanted to fight.

Well, I exactly think the current system is frustrating for newbies like me (yes, like me, because although I have been playing here for some time, I have almost no experience in normal dm), because I think it's too frustrating and annoying to be obligated, each time I connect to the server, to go to the bank or to the pirate ship, get a few thousands of dollars and spend them in some weapons, just to lose them when I disconnect and repeat it again always and always and always when I connect again, instead of being able to buy them once and forgetting, being able to shoot and duel in fair conditions from the just moment I connect. This is one of the main reasons why I am flying most of my time, and probably this reason also applies to some players who spend their time just driving or flying around. But what happens? that, as there are few activities with vehicles, many "vehicled" players are losing their motivation to keep playing.

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 10:14:55 PM »


took you one hour to write everything?

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 12:01:22 AM »
lol minigun and bazooka noobs weapons :-X

also this fucking hacker UFH(c)Barricade is the biggest fucking hacker

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 12:06:47 AM »
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took you one hour to write everything?

Hey thank you two for your generous contribution, I have no doubt at all that the world has advanced thank to people like you ;D

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 09:41:30 AM »
I like the ideas , would be pretty cool.Boat-race FTW.

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 01:54:15 PM »
Hey thanks a lot Benny for your reply, this is what I like to see  ;D
But let me reply to a few things:

And i think also about the fact that all games die out eventually. Do you still play a online game that you used to play 10 years ago or even a little bit longer ago ? I doubt that.

Well, that applies to most games because they have secuels (like Call of Duty with so many many many secuels), or simply because there are other similar games but more modern and people migrate to them.
However, this doesn't apply (or at least shouldn't) to San Andreas because it's such an unique game that it hasen't been exceeded yet in most of it's strong points. We have GTA IV which is better in some things, but also worse in others, and requires a powerful computer to work.

3-Red Bull Air Race:
I think this is pretty difficult to do, but what about an automated event that you have a massive rustler dogfight like 10 players and each player has a rustler. And last man flying wins. Or team dog fights. Teams 2 vs 2 or 4 vs 4(this would be max) And this you might want to do in a different virtual world (scripters will know what i mean since there would probably be more people flying a plane in that area.

Well, that Rustler dogfight you talk about is what I mean in my point 5 (vehicle deathmatching).
And admins don't like parallel worlds: some people suggested that for races (so there would be no external interference), and I suggested it to one admin for Hydras and Hunters, and both ideas have been rejected.

4-Boat races:
This is gonna be really though to do since you first gotta find a boat and theres only a limited amount of them to be found throughout LW. What if someone wants to be in the race but theres no boats left or only crappy slow ones like a reefer lol.

Well in that case they could add more boats to the vehicle set.

6-A limited use of Hydras and Hunters:
Only one answer to this: NO this is not some party server we have going on here. And seriously dude what are you smoking? Please dont give that stuff your smoking to Rizla than all hell would break loose.

Hey I have smoked nothing, what's the problem?? If you see, I'm just suggesting A LIMITED USE of those vehicles and weapons.
One friend of mine shown me a stunt server in which there was a war zone with these vehicles, and if you tryied to get them out of that area, you automatically died. The problem I saw is that area was tooooooo small and, as Hydra can fly very fast, it was hard to keep it inside the limited zone, but the basic idea of a limited area for those vehicles is quite good.

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 03:18:25 PM »
can somebody read it for me  :0

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 04:13:47 PM »
I like that "Redbull Air Race" and that "Auto bot Race Hosting"
But the rest not  >:(  And heres another idea better weps when u login..i mean an
AK47 is wery killer weapon but still preety good for the begin.
Like 90-30 bullets....i mean deagle + nub + LW = is like an
soldier with broken legs on Omaha beach in 1945...
The nub rage/q amout woud be definitly lowered or even OWER i cant tell u that....
« Last Edit: March 10, 2010, 04:15:33 PM by MidNight »

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 04:53:40 PM »


took you one hour to write everything?
heh .
Ideas not bad, but didn't like the 7 ... That's just... i don't know how say but lw's  will lose players.

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 05:43:11 PM »
i mean deagle + nub + LW = is like an
soldier with broken legs on Omaha beach in 1945...
The nub rage/q amout woud be definitly lowered or even OWER i cant tell u that....

Yeah, exactly ;)

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Re: Some ideas...
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 06:55:06 PM »
1. +1
2. +1
3. +1 -- Totally doable.. Just few circle checkpoint between the buildings or self built track and an airport to start from.. SF a good place to do..
4.  +-1 --- u cna make a race starting from the sea and ending in the river or somewhere.. and say in the line (boat race to boat race) and ppl show up with boats..
5. -1- actually it already exists and no one is intrested in it ... so.. nah.
6. -1 -- nice idea but lot ppl dont like it..
7. -1 Totally use less.. ppl fight for money and u die for money... u lose it all then u lose it.. learn to protect urself..
8.  +-1-- only tec9 to start with would be nice..