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Recycle Bin => Suggestions (2008-2011) => SA-MP Archive (2015) => SA-MP Archive => Recycle Bin => Rejected Suggestions => Topic started by: AJP on May 12, 2010, 12:01:34 AM
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I'd post this in the other driveby post but I think the only way is to just make a topic from scratch to explain myself better.
What I want:
- For DB to be disabled from motorcycles.
- For DB to be disabled when using Uzis or Tec-9's.
- For DB to be abled only when in a car and with mp5.
Advantages:
- People who like DB can still do so but cannot properly use semi-automatics in combination with sawn-offs if they - plan on DBing.
- It's harder for people for people to 'finish' off people after DBing and getting out of the car.
- No inconsistence with stats and kills.
- No bullshit for people who want to mess around and properly DB.
- Less bitching from people who are real pro e-gangsters and always fight on foot to make their e-penis huge.
Disadvantages:
- I think it's possible to script this, but someone will have to do it and it's time they spend.
- All other DB punishments will have to be removed from the script and that's extra work.
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I'd post this in the other driveby post but I think the only way is to just make a topic from scratch to explain myself better.
What I want:
- For DB to be disabled from motorcycles.
- For DB to be disabled when using Uzis or Tec-9's.
- For DB to be abled only when in a car and with mp5.
Advantages:
- People who like DB can still do so but cannot properly use semi-automatics in combination with sawn-offs if they - plan on DBing.
- It's harder for people for people to 'finish' off people after DBing and getting out of the car.
- No inconsistence with stats and kills.
- No bullshit for people who want to mess around and properly DB.
- Less bitching from people who are real pro e-gangsters and always fight on foot to make their e-penis huge.
Disadvantages:
- I think it's possible to script this, but someone will have to do it and it's time they spend.
- All other DB punishments will have to be removed from the script and that's extra work.
+1...There would be less chance that dber finish u on the floor...
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+1
this is perfect like you read my mind :P
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drive by its part of the game
yeah, I accept it.. DB is annoying but .. ah i donno
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goog idea
+1
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DB to little health and getting finished off in the most lamest ways, makes alot of newbies leave. It's really sad that people can't think about those newbies some more...
I don't think any script-change will do anything about because it's the mentality that needs to change. Nobody really helps, they just care about kills and being pro, which causes deterioration..
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This is maybe best solution for db nowadays x.x
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Look at it this way, if you really really want to DB, you have to sacrifice using running weapons properly.
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The thing that most ppl forget with db is that it is pretty much the only way to destroy a car your chasing.
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If a new player sees that db is disabled for uzi (one of the default spawn weapons) and is not told that buying a MP5 he will be able to db, he will probably think that db is not enabled at all for any weapon and that he is only allowed to fight on foot, leaving the server to go to another one which allows db from the very first moment.
So I would only support this suggestion if the default spawn uzi was changed for a MP5, or at least a text explaining the new players that they can't db with uzi but can if they buy MP5 (which is too expensive by the way).
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Gryphus most players prefer when servers disallow driveby, but the players that are determined in doing so will find a way to do it. Maybe if they do the firing action with uzis or tecs they get a message saying 'db only abled with mp5'.
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Maybe if they do the firing action with uzis or tecs they get a message saying 'db only abled with mp5'.
agree, make sure its spam proof, something like "oi cunt, i heard u the first time" ;D
oh nd +1
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The thing that most ppl forget with db is that it is pretty much the only way to destroy a car your chasing.
quote for truth
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Good idea Scott.
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Good idea,
The thing that most ppl forget with db is that it is pretty much the only way to destroy a car your chasing.
though.
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Gryphus most players prefer when servers disallow driveby
Only if those players are skilled ones who have experience by having played in other servers, but if you are totally new to Samp, how are you gonna prefer db disabled? ffs...
Off-Topic: Scott now you are donator? some time before, below your nick it said you were admin, didn't it?
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I suggest you, my friend, to keep the whole forum in your focus.
Also, no Gryphus, some (including me) don't even know DB the first time they play.
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As I said, it could simply put a message saying that db is only enabled for mp5.
I donated a long time ago I just left admin
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Thats just stupid.
I think its perfect how it is atm.
That you get no kill and no death.
People who still cry "db noob" just have problems with themself cause why they should cry for no death and no kill
So its just like nothing happened.
So dont remove db from bike cause that would realy suck cause how u wanna shot running people in cars and so on.
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Also, no Gryphus, some (including me) don't even know DB the first time they play.
1-Then you haden't played Vice City nor GTA 3, which had db too, not only in multiplayer but also in single player mode.
2-Not knowing at first that there's db, doesn't mean that once you know it you prefer it disabled. When you know it you get addicted to it, at least if you haven't played multiplayer for long and you can't kill in any other way.
Thats just stupid.
I think its perfect how it is atm.
That you get no kill and no death.
People who still cry "db noob" just have problems with themself cause why they should cry for no death and no kill
So its just like nothing happened.
So dont remove db from bike cause that would realy suck cause how u wanna shot running people in cars and so on.
Once again, we have the full of wisdom words of Disco, thank you!! ;)
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Gryphus you ignored my argument, it could display a warning if you tried to db with tecs/uzis, and it would say you can only db with mp5 purchasable in ammunation.
And still if that's the only way you know how to kill, do it with mp5 and renounce to being able to fight on foot with full RW force.
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Gryphus you ignored my argument, it could display a warning if you tried to db with tecs/uzis, and it would say you can only db with mp5 purchasable in ammunation.
I didn't ignore it, why do you say that? I was just replying to robbynab because he said that some new players don't even know the existence of the db. And in that case, the warning you are talking about would be useless, because if the new player doesn't even know the existence of the db, he won't try to do it, and therefore he won't see that warning. However I don't think this is the general case, because most new Samp players have already played in single player, so I think your warning text would be ok.
And still if that's the only way you know how to kill, do it with mp5 and renounce to being able to fight on foot with full RW force.
Ok, I'm willing to renounce to the ability to fight on foot with full RW force, but then change the default uzi for a MP5.
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Less bitching from people who are real pro e-gangsters and always fight on foot to make their e-penis huge
Lol at that. Thats some funny stuff
I argee that dbing should be only done in cars and not bikes
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I don't know why we should make a difference between dbing with bike or with car. It's true that bikes seem to be better to db because they can fire forward, but you are also more vulnerable because the vehicle itself doesn't give you any protection against the shots you receive and you lose heatlh more quickly, bikes go backwards very slowly and also you can't fire while going backwards, so dbing with bike is not easier than with car.
And specially important: some db haters say that new players leave the server because they are dbed all the time, whereas I, as a db supporter, say that it's new players (like me) who db more. So the new players can be two things: db users, or db victims. And it depends much on one simple thing: if the default spawn weapons allow to db or not. If they don't, many new players won't buy the db weapons and will become victims of db instead of users of it, whereas if the default weapons allow the player to db, he will have more of a db user than of a db victim.
Summary: if this suggestion is accepted, the default Uzi should be changed for a MP5.
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well then we teaching the new players that db is lame way to kill
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To Gryphus:
Instead of replying to these kind of topics over and over. Why dont you try to fight on foot for a week.
This man speaks nothing but the truth, you gryphus are a moron in the highest degree.
So is this gona happen?
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To Gryphus:
Instead of replying to these kind of topics over and over. Why dont you try to fight on foot for a week.
This man speaks nothing but the truth, you gryphus are a moron in the highest degree.
so true lol
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well nice to see that no one reply to that what i said.
You all like it more to argue with Gryphus than talk about the facts?
I say it again ..
How you want to kill people then when they are running away from you in a car?
This driveby argues are just shit.
And they are only here because there are single players like leytone who cant to sth else ..
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How you want to kill people then when they are running away from you in a car?
This driveby argues are just shit.
And they are only here because there are single players like leytone who cant to sth else ..
- Vehicle surfing
- Rustlers
- Shooting at them with long range weapons
- If they're trying to get away from you and you shoot them properly with RW, you can do alot of damage and finish them with a bit of m4.
There are tons of ways..
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How would u kill some1 whos for instance in LS buying ur props and is already in a car running from u?
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its just stupid.
Dont remove db.
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Well the suggestion isn't to remove db, just to make a little more balanced without affecting the stats.
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I'd post this in the other driveby post but I think the only way is to just make a topic from scratch to explain myself better.
What I want:
- For DB to be disabled from motorcycles.
- For DB to be disabled when using Uzis or Tec-9's.
- For DB to be abled only when in a car and with mp5.
Advantages:
- People who like DB can still do so but cannot properly use semi-automatics in combination with sawn-offs if they - plan on DBing.
- It's harder for people for people to 'finish' off people after DBing and getting out of the car.
- No inconsistence with stats and kills.
- No bullshit for people who want to mess around and properly DB.
- Less bitching from people who are real pro e-gangsters and always fight on foot to make their e-penis huge.
Disadvantages:
- I think it's possible to script this, but someone will have to do it and it's time they spend.
- All other DB punishments will have to be removed from the script and that's extra work.
amen to that! +1
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- For DB to be abled only when in a car and with mp5.
amen to that! +1
yes do it.
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Good idea. But poor Leytone and his gang. Joke
+1
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I've just read the first page, Im too lazy to read the next 2, but...
LAWL?!
No offence Scott, but it's the most stupid idea to prevent db ever (in my view).
Who do we want to punish? Ordinary players, who ussually fight on foot, use db rarely, only to destroy cars etc.? They're already punished, most of them are regulars who do care about stats.
But there are a lot of "regular dbers" who do not, and they will still db, because buying a SMG is not a sacrifice for them.
Disable db on bike? How will u chase down ppl with bounties? I know that this way of killing is not very "gentle", but ppl with bounty run, in 90% it is impossible to kill them without dbing (or at least catch them by destroying a vehicle).
-1, even fully disabling db on the server seems more likely to me, as it affects both - fair dbers and regular dbers.
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-1 why , leave the script as it is now, no db sux
\quote joker miczi /quote
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then here is something
Learn to
A)Destroy cars without db
B)Ram them of the fucking road :D
Plus db is still there i say they WILL STILL GET MP5 RAMPAGE AND THEN DB WIT INFANATE AMMU
so basiclly we are jsut rewarding them.
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DB effin sucks..
Make some kind of punishment system, have a few options like: explode, steal money, jail, forgive..
Naw mean?
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^ lvp
When they DB get a punish menu with the opportunity to remove their uzi's or SMG if they dbed you, or what thug said it's kinda lvp-ish but they dont have problems with db'ers
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Well the point isn't to eliminate driveby, it's to eliminate the combination of having RW + DB. Also the suggestion includes removing DB from bikes, because they are much harder to avoid in general and experienced DB'ers know they're better for DB in general.
Um I don't like the punishment thing because new servers spawn with tecs and shit and will start dbing and get punished by regulars..
Also somewhere Miczi you mentioned that regulars don't db? That's not true. What annoys me most is when I have sawn/uzis and when I finally get to blow up their vehicle I'm on low hp, they have sawns/uzis and have a clear advantage over me.
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Well the point isn't to eliminate driveby, it's to eliminate the combination of having RW + DB. Also the suggestion includes removing DB from bikes, because they are much harder to avoid in general and experienced DB'ers know they're better for DB in general.
Um I don't like the punishment thing because new servers spawn with tecs and shit and will start dbing and get punished by regulars..
Also somewhere Miczi you mentioned that regulars don't db? That's not true. What annoys me most is when I have sawn/uzis and when I finally get to blow up their vehicle I'm on low hp, they have sawns/uzis and have a clear advantage over me.
Oh yeah, today I was playing Lw, and 1 guy first did me DB, and when i had like 20 or 30 hp he killed me with uzis and sawnoffs
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In other posts and at different times I suggested different ways of controlling, regulating and limiting db, so I better put them all together:
-If someone is dbed many times in a row, he becomes immune to db for some minutes. And/or viceversa: if you db kill many times in a row (no matter if you kill a different player each time or always the same), you become unable to db for some minutes. I think this would be more or less easy to script: for each time you are db killed, a time counter starts (for example, 5 minutes), and if within that time others keep dbing you and your limit of db deaths is exceeded, you get the immunity for other some minutes. And exactly the same for the inability to db when you kill with db too many times in a short time (although in this case we should discuss whether the time counter should stop if the dber dies).
I suggested this here: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12488.msg103956.html#msg103956 (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12488.msg103956.html#msg103956)
-The existence of two ranks: dber and soldier, and each player chooses which one he prefers. If you choose dber you spawn with MP5 and you can db, but you have a lower bank limit (for example 2 millions) and you can't buy properties, whereas if you choose soldier you spawn with Uzi or Tec9 and sawns, you can't db (by script or being punished if you do it), but in return you have a higher bank limit (for example 8 millions, and 10 for donators) and you can buy properties. Obviously new players would be advised to choose rank dber whereas the regulars would choose rank soldier.
There are many games in which players are divided in different groups depending on their skills, and those who choose the hard way are granted some privileges while the new players stay on easier groups while they learn to play.
I suggested this here: http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12488.msg107128.html#msg107128 (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12488.msg107128.html#msg107128)
-Enabling or disabling the ability to db for each player individually depending on his kill ratio. This is related with the handicapping system that I suggested in this thread ( http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12901.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12901.0.html) ), since db is a kind of handicap by itself, and this regulating system would be gradual and progressive: players with a very low kill ratio could db freely, others with a bit higher ratio would have their tyres popped (like now), the next level would be setting the vehicle on fire, the next level would be losing some health, money or ammo (in this last case, only until next death and respawn, not permanently), and finally for players with a high kill ratio, they could die if they db.
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Yeah, but if they for example gonna do, first DB and then leave of the car when i have low hp and kill me, then this system don't gonna work for them. Because did DB , but they don't killed me with DB.
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Yeah, but if they for example gonna do, first DB and then leave of the car when i have low hp and kill me, then this system don't gonna work for them. Because did DB , but they don't killed me with DB.
Yea.. but DBers like Leytone aint good at fighting.. even if they have 100 hp and you have 25 hp you could fuck them up.
and when hes coming out the car you could shoot he'll loose alot of health.
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And what about a script code that, after dbing (even if you don't kill anyone with it), a time counter starts and if you get out of the car you can't shoot your weapons on foot within a minute after the last db shot, would that be scriptable?
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For fucks sake gryphus, I make this topic to propose a specific suggestion to limit db and you come with you're fucking annoying complicated and really stupid long ideas.
Any way, for the last fucking time I'll tell you why this is all a load of crap.
-If someone is dbed many times in a row, he becomes immune to db for some minutes. And/or viceversa: if you db kill many times in a row (no matter if you kill a different player each time or always the same), you become unable to db for some minutes. I think this would be more or less easy to script: for each time you are db killed, a time counter starts (for example, 5 minutes), and if within that time others keep dbing you and your limit of db deaths is exceeded, you get the immunity for other some minutes. And exactly the same for the inability to db when you kill with db too many times in a short time (although in this case we should discuss whether the time counter should stop if the dber dies).
You start making people immune to shit and bugs are bound to happen, it happens when people exit interiors, it happened with the race start preventions and I'll guarafuckingtee you that it'll happen with this. Granting immunity for shit is a big mistake, it confuses bugged players with the real deal health hackers.
-The existence of two ranks: dber and soldier, and each player chooses which one he prefers. If you choose dber you spawn with MP5 and you can db, but you have a lower bank limit (for example 2 millions) and you can't buy properties, whereas if you choose soldier you spawn with Uzi or Tec9 and sawns, you can't db (by script or being punished if you do it), but in return you have a higher bank limit (for example 8 millions, and 10 for donators) and you can buy properties. Obviously new players would be advised to choose rank dber whereas the regulars would choose rank soldier.
There are many games in which players are divided in different groups depending on their skills, and those who choose the hard way are granted some privileges while the new players stay on easier groups while they learn to play.
Now you want to make it even easier for driveby'ers? so much of the SA:MP community hates db to begin with, now on spawn they'll see db'ers have their own personal rank, they'll just say fuck that shit I'm going somewhere else where I can have a chance fighting on foot. Also involving cash and driveby doesn't make any sense to me, lw's offers all game plays (except certain bugs and of course cheats) and your success in cash shouldn't affect how you want to kill ._.
ALSO messing with all this rank thing and having to choose at the beginning is just confusing for new players, either they'll just press enter all the time or they'll quit, let alone read anything about how your bank limit is one or two million higher or lower.
-Enabling or disabling the ability to db for each player individually depending on his kill ratio. This is related with the handicapping system that I suggested in this thread ( http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12901.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,12901.0.html) ), since db is a kind of handicap by itself, and this regulating system would be gradual and progressive: players with a very low kill ratio could db freely, others with a bit higher ratio would have their tyres popped (like now), the next level would be setting the vehicle on fire, the next level would be losing some health, money or ammo (in this last case, only until next death and respawn, not permanently), and finally for players with a high kill ratio, they could die if they db.
Again with the goddamn stats. STATS AREN'T WHAT DETERMINE HOW GOOD OR HOW NEW A PLAYER IS TO SA:MP. Get it in your head, some people are new to lw's and not new to sa:mp so they could very very easily take advantage of anything that new stats offer them, whereas if I'm a regular player and I see I suddenly have disadvantages against people who are new I'll just lose interest.
And I repeat, if you're gonna make a suggestion about driveby different than this just post it somewhere else, I'm sick of every suggestion topic being so changed that nobody even knows what the original suggestion was.
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really stupid long ideas.
English is not my first language, I thought I knew it more or less well but now I see I still have much English to learn: today I find out that in English, the word stupid has the same meaning as the words clever, ingenious and smart. ;) ;D
Any way, for the last fucking time I'll tell you why this is all a load of crap.
The last time?? :o :o
And when was the first time?
You start making people immune to shit and bugs are bound to happen, it happens when people exit interiors, it happened with the race start preventions and I'll guarafuckingtee you that it'll happen with this.
Well, if the game or the script are buggy that's not my fault, and that doesn't mean my ideas are bad, it just means that Samp doesn't have the ability to have these ideas correctly implemented and to make them work well. (Now I start the countdown before any kid comes saying my ideas are bad only to troll a little ;D 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...) XD
Granting immunity for shit is a big mistake, it confuses bugged players with the real deal health hackers.
Yeah, and if you see a car jumping because his driver has bought hop hop hop, you can think he is cheating, and if you see an admin spawning a Hydra you can think he is cheating, and the same if you see someone with a chainsaw and nobody tells you that you can buy it in special items...
-The existence of two ranks: dber and soldier
Now you want to make it even easier for driveby'ers?
Dividing the players into two different groups is making it easier for dbers?? :o
-Enabling or disabling the ability to db for each player individually depending on his kill ratio.
Again with the goddamn stats. STATS AREN'T WHAT DETERMINE HOW GOOD OR HOW NEW A PLAYER IS TO SA:MP. Get it in your head
Why do you say "again with the goddamn stats"? Were you there when I talked for the first time about handicaps based on stats, to explain me that this is bad? no, you weren't, so now don't come showing how sick you are as if I were insisting on something that you had previously told me that is wrong. Besides:
some people are new to lw's and not new to sa:mp so they could very very easily take advantage of anything that new stats offer them, whereas if I'm a regular player and I see I suddenly have disadvantages against people who are new I'll just lose interest.
Please read my messages, I said CLEARLY that the parallel and hidden stats I suggested in the other thread, would be reseted on each login, so everyone would start in the same conditions, and the handicaps would be varying as the players kill and die.
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Omg, don't keep posting here about your stuff.
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*facepalm*
I really can't be bothered with you man, just make a new topic instead of linking to all of your old suggestions.
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screw it stats are stats wether you hide them or not
if the dbers now there gettign somethign out of it the dont give a shit
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Someone should really forum ban gryphus for such idiotic and annoying behaviour, and for posting such stupid ideas.
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I didn't bother to read all this. So forgive me if this was said before. Ive read disco's reply about people running in a car and he said almost the same.
-1 From me. Simply because I like to hunt people in a car, but I also like to fight without DB. So im not buying a MP5 but a tec/uzi.
THis will mean that DB will be disabled and I can't shoot people who are driving a car. I can't hunt people with RW or long range weapons.
And taking a rustler takes to much time, sometimes there aren't any rustlers near you.
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Someone should really forum ban gryphus for such idiotic and annoying behaviour, and for posting such stupid ideas.
+1
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hm not bad idee +1
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This idea should be accepted, this really gonna help to the server.
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Nice one! +1
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This all complicated ideas, i mean Popz is the owner of lw, why hes not saying something to
this that lw's going down(27 players in avarge), i now he has a life and all other stuff,
but serously he or someone else of the lw bosses shoud smash on the table and say:
"IF YOU MOTHA DB A NOOB THAT RAGE /Q I MOTHA FUKIN CHOP YO HEAD OF!!"
or sth like this..nothin personal but i gues lw needs more discipline in my opinion....
I mean this is your server, that means youre rules, you the boss you can do everything in it
who wants to tell you sth, you pay MONEY so it will be hosted...so do please sth lol :D
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This all complicated ideas, i mean Popz is the owner of lw, why hes not saying something to
this that lw's going down(27 players in avarge), i now he has a life and all other stuff,
but serously he or someone else of the lw bosses shoud smash on the table and say:
"IF YOU MOTHA DB A NOOB THAT RAGE /Q I MOTHA FUKIN CHOP YO HEAD OF!!"
or sth like this..nothin personal but i gues lw needs more discipline in my opinion....
I mean this is your server, that means youre rules, you the boss you can do everything in it
who wants to tell you sth, you pay MONEY so it will be hosted...so do please sth lol :D
LOL, wat
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popz comes once a century
dugi comes once a month
8)
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This all complicated ideas, i mean Popz is the owner of lw, why hes not saying something to
this that lw's going down(27 players in avarge), i now he has a life and all other stuff,
but serously he or someone else of the lw bosses shoud smash on the table and say:
"IF YOU MOTHA DB A NOOB THAT RAGE /Q I MOTHA FUKIN CHOP YO HEAD OF!!"
or sth like this..nothin personal but i gues lw needs more discipline in my opinion....
I mean this is your server, that means youre rules, you the boss you can do everything in it
who wants to tell you sth, you pay MONEY so it will be hosted...so do please sth lol :D
the fuck
popz comes once a century
dugi comes once a month
8)
Popz is in uni atm, same as LnX, and dugi is on IRC and forums every day of the week.
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This all complicated ideas, i mean Popz is the owner of lw, why hes not saying something to
this that lw's going down(27 players in avarge), i now he has a life and all other stuff,
but serously he or someone else of the lw bosses shoud smash on the table and say:
"IF YOU MOTHA DB A NOOB THAT RAGE /Q I MOTHA FUKIN CHOP YO HEAD OF!!"
or sth like this..nothin personal but i gues lw needs more discipline in my opinion....
I mean this is your server, that means youre rules, you the boss you can do everything in it
who wants to tell you sth, you pay MONEY so it will be hosted...so do please sth lol :D
the fuck
popz comes once a century
dugi comes once a month
8)
Popz is in uni atm, same as LnX, and dugi is on IRC and forums every day of the week.
What is the uni? university?
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SÃ.
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+1, Nice Ideea
I hate DB-ers and DB clan
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Updated with a poll.
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Wow Scott, now you are admin again?
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Why to bump a 3 months old topic for that? Read News section as any normal User does ::)
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Suggestion basically rejected, topic locked.