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SA-MP Server - 54.38.156.202:7777 => General => Topic started by: Mr.DehshaT on October 05, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
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I'm startng this topic to make admins realise tht there should be atleast 1 admin online 24x7 in the game. absence of admins create a lot of problems , unheard reports, and hackers.
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I'm startng this topic to make admins realise tht there should be atleast 1 admin online 24x7 in the game. absence of admins create a lot of problems , unheard reports, and hackers.
They've got a life unlike you.
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They've got a life unlike you.
i'm not sayng all should be there 24x7 , i'm sayng there shld be any 1 of them whn needed...
And if they dn't hv time for server , why they became admins?
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I'm startng this topic to make admins realise tht there should be atleast 1 admin online 24x7 in the game. absence of admins create a lot of problems , unheard reports, and hackers.
They've got a life unlike you.
8)
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They've got a life unlike you.
OH MAI MAI ;)
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Actually admins are busy replying on my haters topics, Negative always negatve..
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this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
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this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
+1 No Doubt they have admins from different countries but not all of them are active,
http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,10310.0.html (http://forum.littlewhiteys.co.uk/index.php/topic,10310.0.html)
there are 8 inactive admins, may we know that why they're still admins,demote them and replace them with active ones
That Would Be Great!
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this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
At last!!!!!, someone with a brain
Thank you
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My admin ok? my ban all chitters ok? my is best inglish ok?? please don't kidding erveytime..
if me admin i event you all and ban all chitters and hacklers ok? i will ban senna for racist and aimbots ok? i will clean the community from retards ok? i will online 24/7 ok? how to admin apply ok? i dnot abuse ok? plz admin ok? i timezone ok? i cool ok? no kidding ok?
pls no kiddin.
there are 8 inactive admins, may we know that why they're still admins,demote them and replace them with active ones
That Would Be Great!
Desperate People ;)
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I wonder how good you will be if you will be a admin. Being an admin is not the easiest thing to do here than jerking like you at the server. Everyday there are admins online, but maybe when you play most of the admins are sleeping? Depends on timezone, bro.
Tired of cheaters? Don't cry, record them and post here or look at IRC if a admin is online.
Okay, done with this thread, close this.
this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
He isn't right. Admins don't need to be everytime here. They have to study, piss, work, eat, chill with friends etc too.
Please.
there are 8 inactive admins, may we know that why they're still admins,demote them and replace them with active ones
That Would Be Great!
That you even count them LOL.
Who said these admins are inactive? Maybe they're developers and working at the scripts? Maybe they're inactive, but temporary? Maybe they got someone they can't join the server like they are on vacation? Maybe someone died in their family and they aren't in the mood to manage the server?
Maybe you should stfu?
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SNIP, sorry for doublepost.
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I wonder how good you will be if you will be a admin. Being an admin is not the easiest thing to do here unless jerking like you at the server. Everyday there are admins online, but maybe when you play most of the admins are sleeping? Depends on timezone, bro.
Sleeping ones are good , But where are the other ones?? dead??
Tired of cheaters? Don't cry, record them and post here or look at IRC if a admin is online.
Yeah , of course. We wait for them to 'show' us their hacks, to record them. And then we 'hope' some admin will take it seriously to take some action.
We come here to play and enjoy. Not wait for some hacker to come, so that we can record him. its job of the admins.
this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
He isn't right. Admins don't need to be everytime here. They have to study, piss, work, eat, chill with friends etc too.
Please.
We don't want all admins at the same time. We just need atleast any one of them.And i'm pretty sure they all don't study, piss, work, eat, chill with friends etc, at the same time.
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I wonder from which number of coincidences were an admin was not present in an emergency the statement 'never' was generalized. Also the definition of 'needed' is very spongy. Most of the time when i'm online i only see reports for new house interiours or false reports because pissed off newbs abuse the report command.
To make it clear. Many of us have a life and do not spend the majority of our days online, because we instead work, study or have families to take care of. We are not bots that will respond when commanded. Take a look at the cheater report topic. Personally i know of no hacker that hacked here beyond a week's time. We have quite a success rate in banning troublesome players of roughly 90% over time, and the rest 10% are one-day flies who leave after hacking once.
Even if we employ admins from different time zones - which we already did and still do - there will always be coincidences where no admin will be online. That's how life works. I may remind you that littlewhitey's is not a company, we are not hired and don't receive payment for our work as admins. The reason why we voluntarily spend most of our actual free time to watch over the server is solely that we care.
I can't pay my mortgage with this, or my taxes, not my car repairs, not the electricity bills, no insurance, i can't support my family with this work or even feed myself, but still spend more hours per day with it than i would on an actual job on a normal workday. And all of that because i have had fun here and i want to preserve it and make it possible for others to feel the same. All i am asking in return is just a little consideration and patience.
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there are 8 inactive admins, may we know that why they're still admins,demote them and replace them with active ones
That Would Be Great!
That you even count them LOL.
Who said these admins are inactive? Maybe they're developers and working at the scripts? Maybe they're inactive, but temporary? Maybe they got someone they can't join the server like they are on vacation? Maybe someone died in their family and they aren't in the mood to manage the server?
Maybe you should stfu?
[/quote] WHo is talking with you? why you interfare too much? i just asked admins not you
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I wonder from which number of coincidences were an admin was not present in an emergency the statement 'never' was generalized. Also the definition of 'needed' is very spongy. Most of the time when i'm online i only see reports for new house interiours or false reports because pissed off newbs abuse the report command.
To make it clear. Many of us have a life and do not spend the majority of our days online, because we instead work, study or have families to take care of. We are not bots that will respond when commanded. Take a look at the cheater report topic. Personally i know of no hacker that hacked here beyond a week's time. We have quite a success rate in banning troublesome players of roughly 90% over time, and the rest 10% are one-day flies who leave after hacking once.
Even if we employ admins from different time zones - which we already did and still do - there will always be coincidences where no admin will be online. That's how life works. I may remind you that littlewhitey's is not a company, we are not hired and don't receive payment for our work as admins. The reason why we voluntarily spend most of our actual free time to watch over the server is solely that we care.
I can't pay my mortgage with this, or my taxes, not my car repairs, not the electricity bills, no insurance, i can't support my family with this work or even feed myself, but still spend more hours per day with it than i would on an actual job on a normal workday. And all of that because i have had fun here and i want to preserve it and make it possible for others to feel the same. All i am asking in return is just a little consideration and patience.
I respect you and your concerns , i'm just asking for some(more or less) admins which are responsible and have reasonable time for the game. Adding or demoting admins is up to management.
Its just, often it really creates problems when there is no admin present , be it co-incidence or anythng else.
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I agree with dehshat, there is nothing wrong with what he said.... I personally don't blame admins it is super wrong (we all thank you for your commitment and are aware that you have your own lives to take care of). It is nonetheless true that sometimes cheaters aren't banned directly and that because of the unavailability of admins. None of the admins should take that as a personal attack, they should instead look for solutions for this problem that is bothering the community.
PS: Naoufal plz your reply is off-topic.
EDIT:After reading carefully I noticed that Dehshat is adressing the problem in a wrong way, his point is still valid tho..
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there are 8 inactive admins, may we know that why they're still admins,demote them and replace them with active ones
That Would Be Great!
That you even count them LOL.
Who said these admins are inactive? Maybe they're developers and working at the scripts? Maybe they're inactive, but temporary? Maybe they got someone they can't join the server like they are on vacation? Maybe someone died in their family and they aren't in the mood to manage the server?
Maybe you should stfu?
WHo is talking with you? why you interfare too much? i just asked admins not you
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If you wanna ask admins personally then don't fucking post on a public topic, PM them.
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I wonder how good you will be if you will be a admin. Being an admin is not the easiest thing to do here unless jerking like you at the server. Everyday there are admins online, but maybe when you play most of the admins are sleeping? Depends on timezone, bro.
Sleeping ones are good , But where are the other ones?? dead??
Tired of cheaters? Don't cry, record them and post here or look at IRC if a admin is online.
Yeah , of course. We wait for them to 'show' us their hacks, to record them. And then we 'hope' some admin will take it seriously to take some action.
We come here to play and enjoy. Not wait for some hacker to come, so that we can record him. its job of the admins.
this guy is right, they need admins with different time zones so in the server will be at least 1 admin online always.
He isn't right. Admins don't need to be everytime here. They have to study, piss, work, eat, chill with friends etc too.
Please.
We don't want all admins at the same time. We just need atleast any one of them.And i'm pretty sure they all don't study, piss, work, eat, chill with friends etc, at the same time.
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So your point is; there need to be a admin online, ALWAYS. What about you open a server, try to grow up and see what will happen?
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Naoufal why don't you focus a lil bit instead of pointlessly defending admins. We are not questioning any admin's role in this community so stop sucking dicks. The point is we do understand they are busy AND AGAIN we thank them for their time in the server however we would appreciate as solution for this RECENT problem, that's about it..
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Naoufal why don't you focus a lil bit instead of pointlessly defending admins. We are not questioning any admin's role in this community so stop sucking dicks. The point is we do understand they are busy AND AGAIN we thank them for their time in the server however we would appreciate as solution for this RECENT problem, that's about it..
I focus, but this topic is talked about like 1938373 times where they said every admin has their life and I don't suck dicks, so please.
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Most of the time Aryan is online ::),
If you need help then ask him and also you both live in india.
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Naoufal why don't you focus a lil bit instead of pointlessly defending admins. We are not questioning any admin's role in this community so stop sucking dicks. The point is we do understand they are busy AND AGAIN we thank them for their time in the server however we would appreciate as solution for this RECENT problem, that's about it..
I focus, but this topic is talked about like 1938373 times where they said every admin has their life and I don't suck dicks, so please.
Wow man ur reply is as constructive as the others ::). Again you fail to understand the legitimate point of this topic. No one is asking admins to give up their lives for the game. We understand they have their own lives and would appreciate if they could come up with any solution to get cheaters (PARTICULARLY) banned faster in their unavailability. Please Stop trying to turn this as a complaint against the staff team as it is clearly not, it is just a problem that needs to be addressed.
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Naoufal why don't you focus a lil bit instead of pointlessly defending admins. We are not questioning any admin's role in this community so stop sucking dicks. The point is we do understand they are busy AND AGAIN we thank them for their time in the server however we would appreciate as solution for this RECENT problem, that's about it..
I focus, but this topic is talked about like 1938373 times where they said every admin has their life and I don't suck dicks, so please.
Wow man ur reply is as constructive as the others ::). Again you fail to understand the legitimate point of this topic. No one is asking admins to give up their lives for the game. We understand they have their own lives and would appreciate if they could come up with any solution to get cheaters (PARTICULARLY) banned faster in their unavailability. Please Stop trying to turn this as a complaint against the staff team as it is clearly not, it is just a problem that needs to be addressed.
I understand the point of the topic, but do you think something will be changed?
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This thread is completely useless.
No matter how many admins/mods/managers you have or how they are "dispersed" over different time-zones you will never always have at-least 1 admin online 24/7, that is unless every player is an admin which is completely out of question.
And as Enzo said, most of the reports we get are regulars who are angry because they get killed by an undercover/someone they don't recognize but who is as skillful as they are.
If there is a hacker who is annoying you (killing you with aimbot/hh...) just pause and wait for him to leave or quit and rejoin when he leaves... if you report him an admin from IRC will get to you as soon as possible.
As for me, I have been extremely busy with university studies so I will do as much as I can.
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I agree with dehshat, there is nothing wrong with what he said.... I personally don't blame admins it is super wrong (we all thank you for your commitment and are aware that you have your own lives to take care of). It is nonetheless true that sometimes cheaters aren't banned directly and that because of the unavailability of admins. None of the admins should take that as a personal attack, they should instead look for solutions for this problem that is bothering the community.
I understand the frustration that some players might feel when there are cheaters online and there's no way to get rid of them cause none of the staff is on. But this problem has always existed in kinda every samp server as far as i could see throughout several years...i've read topics like this so many times, and my conclusion is that is absolutely normal that nobody can ensure the presence of at least 1 admin online at ANY time, simply cause we ain't a company which plans work shifts to cover every minute of the day.
We do consider the possibility of promoting new staff members, when it doesn't happen either we don't think it's necessary or we don't think there's someone around suitable for the role.
In the meantime when there's the need to get rid of a cheater, if you're lucky enough to be in front of a newbie cheater, you can always try old tricks like the ones that tickle their pride like "hey noob, i guess you can't even spawn a minigun/jetpack!!", it sometimes works :) i did it several times when there wasn't anyone online from the staff
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I wonder from which number of coincidences were an admin was not present in an emergency the statement 'never' was generalized. Also the definition of 'needed' is very spongy. Most of the time when i'm online i only see reports for new house interiours or false reports because pissed off newbs abuse the report command.
To make it clear. Many of us have a life and do not spend the majority of our days online, because we instead work, study or have families to take care of. We are not bots that will respond when commanded. Take a look at the cheater report topic. Personally i know of no hacker that hacked here beyond a week's time. We have quite a success rate in banning troublesome players of roughly 90% over time, and the rest 10% are one-day flies who leave after hacking once.
Even if we employ admins from different time zones - which we already did and still do - there will always be coincidences where no admin will be online. That's how life works. I may remind you that littlewhitey's is not a company, we are not hired and don't receive payment for our work as admins. The reason why we voluntarily spend most of our actual free time to watch over the server is solely that we care.
I can't pay my mortgage with this, or my taxes, not my car repairs, not the electricity bills, no insurance, i can't support my family with this work or even feed myself, but still spend more hours per day with it than i would on an actual job on a normal workday. And all of that because i have had fun here and i want to preserve it and make it possible for others to feel the same. All i am asking in return is just a little consideration and patience.
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About the topic,we all becomes frustrated when we gets killed by a hacker and there is no admin to take care of it..But we have to keep calm and think for some ways to take him out in case there's no admin..There are ways you can troll a hacker too ::)
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Mr.DehshaT for admin pls. faggots.
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You should use fraps and report that hacker on forum.
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I agree with dehshat, there is nothing wrong with what he said.... I personally don't blame admins it is super wrong (we all thank you for your commitment and are aware that you have your own lives to take care of). It is nonetheless true that sometimes cheaters aren't banned directly and that because of the unavailability of admins. None of the admins should take that as a personal attack, they should instead look for solutions for this problem that is bothering the community.
PS: Naoufal plz your reply is off-topic.
EDIT:After reading carefully I noticed that Dehshat is adressing the problem in a wrong way, his point is still valid tho..
Exactly LoveLiveEatRepeat, Thank you [+1]
I understand the frustration that some players might feel when there are cheaters online and there's no way to get rid of them cause none of the staff is on. But this problem has always existed in kinda every samp server as far as i could see throughout several years...i've read topics like this so many times, and my conclusion is that is absolutely normal that nobody can ensure the presence of at least 1 admin online at ANY time, simply cause we ain't a company which plans work shifts to cover every minute of the day.
I know it has been on all servers , BUT we are on lws for a reason, this server is different from others , if we needed a common server with common problems, we could have gone to any other server. we won't have bothered to start topics to consume ours and yours valuable time.
Also, if this problem has never been solved in the past , it doesn't mean there is no solution or no one can do anything. Changes can only be made when you do an effort for them. :)
Most of the time Aryan is online ::),
If you need help then ask him and also you both live in india.
I/We are not here pointing fingures at admins. we just want to figure out a solution.
And as of aryan, he gives much time to the game :), but it is not sufficient(Not that i'm blaming him). Also, whenevr he is there we DO ask him :)
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I agree with dehshat, there is nothing wrong with what he said.... I personally don't blame admins it is super wrong (we all thank you for your commitment and are aware that you have your own lives to take care of). It is nonetheless true that sometimes cheaters aren't banned directly and that because of the unavailability of admins. None of the admins should take that as a personal attack, they should instead look for solutions for this problem that is bothering the community.
I understand the frustration that some players might feel when there are cheaters online and there's no way to get rid of them cause none of the staff is on. But this problem has always existed in kinda every samp server as far as i could see throughout several years...i've read topics like this so many times, and my conclusion is that is absolutely normal that nobody can ensure the presence of at least 1 admin online at ANY time, simply cause we ain't a company which plans work shifts to cover every minute of the day.
We do consider the possibility of promoting new staff members, when it doesn't happen either we don't think it's necessary or we don't think there's someone around suitable for the role.
In the meantime when there's the need to get rid of a cheater, if you're lucky enough to be in front of a newbie cheater, you can always try old tricks like the ones that tickle their pride like "hey noob, i guess you can't even spawn a minigun/jetpack!!", it sometimes works :) i did it several times when there wasn't anyone online from the staff
yeah i completely agreed with you, LW is Way Better Than Any Server
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yeah i completely agreed with you, LW is Way Better Than Any Server
Yeah, i agree, but not tht much ;D
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Just promote players to admin... Problem sloved lol 8)
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We do consider the possibility of promoting new staff members, when it doesn't happen either we don't think it's necessary or we don't think there's someone around suitable for the role.
Just promote players to admin... Problem sloved lol 8)
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Also, if this problem has never been solved in the past , it doesn't mean there is no solution or no one can do anything.
There are several solutions that have all been discussed in the past. Admins working on shift is not an option, because it cannot be arranged with our personal lifes. Most of the admins here already work shift irl which would mean a 12+ hour workday with shifts on LW. At this point i can hear the 'this is a game, not work'-argument comming, which might be true for players, but not for admins.
The other solution is infact promoting admins from different time zones, which we already do, but as you can see this does not always work out to 100%, having this discussion here is the best proof for that. The time zone an admin is from is god beware not the only factor in being promoted and these quality decisions make LWs Way Better Than Any Server
It is very hard if not right away impossible to get a solution for 100% coverage. And that is something you will experience in every game ever created. For example just try out to report a hacker in War Thunder. You'll find out that on a bad day with few players online you can totally close the game and play something else for a week when you have someone in a Ki-2 on your tier one-shotting pilots in a row. And when you return that guy will not be banned but instead in a higher tier where he is not being matched against you. All despite the core admin team of Gaijin is hired and actually works shift.
The way we are dealing with it now, and that is why we always ride around on the patience thing, is to sensitise players to not await for hackers to be treated immediately, but rather eventually. In this context i can only say from own experience that we pretty damn good got every hacker eventually, and have a pretty presentable rate in immediate treatments.
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Also, if this problem has never been solved in the past , it doesn't mean there is no solution or no one can do anything.
There are several solutions that have all been discussed in the past. Admins working on shift is not an option, because it cannot be arranged with our personal lifes. Most of the admins here already work shift irl which would mean a 12+ hour workday with shifts on LW. At this point i can hear the 'this is a game, not work'-argument comming, which might be true for players, but not for admins.
The other solution is infact promoting admins from different time zones, which we already do, but as you can see this does not always work out to 100%, having this discussion here is the best proof for that. The time zone an admin is from is god beware not the only factor in being promoted and these quality decisions make LWs
I/We are not asking for specified shifts or promoting more admins. All we are asking is admins should be more consistent. As of currently only Aryan, Idamn, Puranjay, blewert and 2-3 more, Spend a good time at the server, and are doing very good. Their presence is a very good help. But i hardly see any other admins, in game or IRC. Above admins are doing their part greatly, but they are just few and have limits. There is a considerable amount of time ,almost evryday, that there is no admin.
It is very hard if not right away impossible to get a solution for 100% coverage. And that is something you will experience in every game ever created. For example just try out to report a hacker in War Thunder. You'll find out that on a bad day with few players online you can totally close the game and play something else for a week when you have someone in a Ki-2 on your tier one-shotting pilots in a row. And when you return that guy will not be banned but instead in a higher tier where he is not being matched against you. All despite the core admin team of Gaijin is hired and actually works shift.
The way we are dealing with it now, and that is why we always ride around on the patience thing, is to sensitise players to not await for hackers to be treated immediately, but rather eventually. In this context i can only say from own experience that we pretty damn good got every hacker eventually, and have a pretty presentable rate in immediate treatments.
If we keep taking examples of the failures , we cannot succeed ever. If others could not resolve the problems dsn't mean we cannot. And responsible volunteers are way more beneficial than employees.
And the thing about treating hackers eventually is, that sometimes hacker/cheater hacks only for 1-2 days, to dominate/fun/revenge or anything, which causes trouble to other legitimate players. And after that 1-2 days , they start playing normally, which results in they never being caught and admins never believing us without proof.
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You can always report cheaters on forum using the CHEATER REPORT board when no admin is online.
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New to this , so didn't know ;D ;D
Thanks spitfire and aryan
You can always report cheaters on forum using the CHEATER REPORT board when no admin is online.
We will report cheaters. We are talking about response, bans and othr admin roles
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I/We are not asking for specified shifts or promoting more admins. All we are asking is admins should be more consistent.
Consistent as in online longer? Because the day just does not have enough hours for us to spend more time on the server than we actually do. As i tried to make clear earlier we do have a real life, and we are spending our free time here. Many admins spend more time with LWs than with their personal lifes, for example Aryan is here despite studying and he was here last month during his midterms where he should have learned instead. Freak sometimes even plays from his workplace, just let me mention that this can get you fired in most companies. Blewert is studying and in parallel working at a laboratory as research assistant in addition, and still finds time to join. I have personally sacrificed an entire five years of my life only for LWs (and tv shows).
But of course thank you for noticing another solution i had missed about earlier, propably because it did not seem propable as explained.
If we keep taking examples of the failures , we cannot succeed ever. If others could not resolve the problems dsn't mean we cannot. And responsible volunteers are way more beneficial than employees.
And the thing about treating hackers eventually is, that sometimes hacker/cheater hacks only for 1-2 days, to dominate/fun/revenge or anything, which causes trouble to other legitimate players. And after that 1-2 days , they start playing normally, which results in they never being caught and admins never believing us without proof.
That's a bit of a naive point of view but i'll give you that, the youth shall keep their dreams because that is what motivates us to go further. What this example should make clear is that there is no 100% coverage, there is not a perfect solution. There are problems in the world that cannot be resolved, they can only be compromised with accounting to the interests of different parties looking for a solution. This issue is one of them, and like with any of them the only solution is a balance in compromise that will reach an effect with that all parties can agree, and as you will see that will mostly never bring a 100% success as a complete solution always lies within extremes that will completely disregard interests of one or several parties in favour of certain interests of another party.
For the case you've mentioned i personally don't know of any case where this actually happened, and of course proof is needed when taking administrative actions, we will never take any action without solid proof to base it on.
See the great whole. The important question is are you having fun playing on LWs? Because there are always setbacks in any part of life, there will always be bad days and sometimes you will be frustrated. That's how the world works. There is no reason to be upset about a failure, life goes on, and success only lies one report away.
Apart from that i still think imho that you generalize to much. Some random incidents are not necessarily an indicator for a fundamental problem in a system's concept. Just saying.
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If we keep taking examples of the failures , we cannot succeed ever. If others could not resolve the problems dsn't mean we cannot. And responsible volunteers are way more beneficial than employees.
And the thing about treating hackers eventually is, that sometimes hacker/cheater hacks only for 1-2 days, to dominate/fun/revenge or anything, which causes trouble to other legitimate players. And after that 1-2 days , they start playing normally, which results in they never being caught and admins never believing us without proof.
That's a bit of a naive point of view but i'll give you that, the youth shall keep their dreams because that is what motivates us to go further. What this example should make clear is that there is no 100% coverage, there is not a perfect solution. There are problems in the world that cannot be resolved, they can only be compromised with accounting to the interests of different parties looking for a solution. This issue is one of them, and like with any of them the only solution is a balance in compromise that will reach an effect with that all parties can agree, and as you will see that will mostly never bring a 100% success as a complete solution always lies within extremes that will completely disregard interests of one or several parties in favour of certain interests of another party.
For the case you've mentioned i personally don't know of any case where this actually happened, and of course proof is needed when taking administrative actions, we will never take any action without solid proof to base it on.
See the great whole. The important question is are you having fun playing on LWs? Because there are always setbacks in any part of life, there will always be bad days and sometimes you will be frustrated. That's how the world works. There is no reason to be upset about a failure, life goes on, and success only lies one report away.
Apart from that i still think imho that you generalize to much. Some random incidents are not necessarily an indicator for a fundamental problem in a system's concept. Just saying.
About this (very) specific case again:
If somebody hacks once, then stops hacking forever and does or does not get away with it, get the fuck over it. He seems to have appreciated LW and decided to play on LW without hacking, which is a good thing.
If somebody secretly hacks every now for whatever reason, film it or tell staff to keep their eyes on a specific player. Use forum messages if no admin is online, give them the Name of the player and time/date he/she was online. If neither of this options is good enough for you, then you are the problem...
I seriously have no idea how you find or justify a point to complain about the admin staff of this server. Those retards kick ass and you should appreciate that they sacrifice their free time so that ungrateful people like you have a good time on the server.
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#Respect EnzoMortelli, Blewert and Aryan *hats-off*
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there should be atleast 1 admin online 24x7 in the game.
i'm not sayng all should be there 24x7 , i'm sayng there shld be any 1 of them whn needed...
That's basically what I pulled from this thread - an immediate contradiction. Here's my two cents: No amount of protection will stop those with malicious intent. The United States Department of Defense spends TRILLIONS (not billions, trillions) of dollars each year on cyber-security, yet they are constantly in headlines for being hacked. If the LW's staff spent trillions of dollars annually on cheater-protection, there would still be cheaters. No amount of security can prevent a sophisticated attack. Keep in mind, management's budget is reliant on donators, which brings me to Enzo's point.
People have lives outside of the game. I logged in last night to drive around aimlessly, and there wasn't a soul online. Are you saying that admins should be required to patrol empty streets? Surely there needs to be some sort of formula for when an admin is needed, and it doesn't look like you supplied that. Sure, it'd be great to have an admin in each time zone, but we don't have that luxury - and I'm certain management would not crown a player with such a status simply due to their location on the planet.
TL;DR: With the budget the LW's staff has right now, they're doing the best they can. I would not expect any changes.
EDIT: Also, most admins are inactive because they're getting older, thus their responsibilities are growing and they cannot pay as much attention to the server as they did during the golden days of the server.
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Surely there needs to be some sort of formula for when an admin is needed, and it doesn't look like you supplied that.
How should he if we even can not.
I'm replying to specifically this because i like formulas and because this is another solution i personally did not think of, and to my slight surprise (not really) nobody else on the staff yet either. There is infact a statistical approach for this. We could be able with a little effort, if we'd gathered and compared data of previous bans, join times etc. to compute a scheme for admin attendence based on when hackers join most likely. The problem with that approach is that we are talking about propabilities, not facts here, and it is not guaranteed that the hackers will exactly act as our limited statistical model will suggest.
I still think that it would be far more ressourceful to work on how failures of the system can be dealt with in a better way, rather than investing into trying to push a system with limited capabilities beyond itself.
there should be atleast 1 admin online 24x7 in the game.
i'm not sayng all should be there 24x7 , i'm sayng there shld be any 1 of them whn needed...
That's basically what I pulled from this thread - an immediate contradiction.
It's just bad english ;) ;D
I seriously have no idea how you find or justify a point to complain about the admin staff of this server. Those retards kick ass and you should appreciate that they sacrifice their free time so that ungrateful people like you have a good time on the server.
BikeDriver having good words for the LW staff - that's it, i quit. My life is complete.
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I'm replying to specifically this because i like formulas and because this is another solution i personally did not think of, and to my slight surprise (not really) nobody else on the staff yet either. There is infact a statistical approach for this. We could be able with a little effort, if we'd gathered and compared data of previous bans, join times etc. to compute a scheme for admin attendence based on when hackers join most likely. The problem with that approach is that we are talking about propabilities, not facts here, and it is not guaranteed that the hackers will exactly act as our limited statistical model will suggest.
I still think that it would be far more ressourceful to work on how failures of the system can be dealt with in a better way, rather than investing into trying to push a system with limited capabilities beyond itself.
A formula would require admen to stick to a time schedule, which I am sure, nobody is willing to do.
I seriously have no idea how you find or justify a point to complain about the admin staff of this server. Those retards kick ass and you should appreciate that they sacrifice their free time so that ungrateful people like you have a good time on the server.
BikeDriver having good words for the LW staff - that's it, i quit. My life is complete.
LOL I always liked and respected most of the staff members (exceptions prove the rule).
Problem is: I often use my "special" humour on people who I appreciate. My favourite will always be going undercover, putting a bomb + nitro in car, requesting admen to test if the nitro speed of that car is legit or hax :))
Seeing that retards blow themselves up while they are thinking "that fucking noob really thinks hax can be installed into a car"... LOL :D
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I don't know much of this but what about applying anticheat system?
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I don't know much of this but what about applying anticheat system?
this ^^^?
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I don't know much of this but what about applying anticheat system?
We need scripters for that,
Lolz
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Yeah thats true.
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AGREED AGREED AGREED I already agree with all of the points given by enzo, bikedriver and staff. And to be honest, i expected these points from the management/admins. I've read many similar topics for different servers. The soul motive to start this topic is, may be someone may come up with something new , thinking out of the box. Diablo suggested anticheat, likewise, may be there is some other solution, we may not even be looking at or paying attention to.
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After Nightmares update, there won't be any more.
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I've read many similar topics for different servers. The soul motive to start this topic is, may be someone may come up with something new , thinking out of the box.
You could have saved a lot of people including you a lot of time by mentioning everything you've read elsewhere right in the beginning.
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And here we are wondering why admins aren't online frequently enough. Based on this thread, if I were an admin, the last thing I'd want to do is deal with some of the people here. Very disrespectful, immature, and incompetent - English as a primary language or not.
If I may offer a suggestion.
Perhaps the first step in gaining the presence of admins more often is by making them want to play with us.
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Offtopic posts have been removed. Stay ontopic.
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Everything was pretty much stated by other members of the community. I myself wouldn't pay much attention on the current subject simply because there are no real solutions for this problem. Anticheat system requires considerable amount of time & our devs are currently inactive because of the life obligations. Accepting new staff members who live on the other parts of Earth is another idea being taken care of ever since
the golden days of the server
But just like any other idea regarding this topic it's not 100% efficient(as it's impossible). You keep forgetting that being administrator on a server is a huge responsibility, they represent LWs, they do whatever it's in their power to make the server look good, to let people know that it's still fun to play here, that they should be enjoying every minute of their gameplay spent on LWs. They basically gave tons of effort so players like you could possibly enjoy their freetime.
I've also read your suggestion to demote inactive admins. Those are marked as "inactive" because they obviously are very busy with IRL stuff lately & are holding too much stress on their chest to keep up with ingame cheaters/rulebreakers and all announced updates here on forums. It's completely out of your business who's the one to be demoted/promoted or w/e.
IF you ever see a cheater, there's a topic made specially for those. Try to record a video, upload it on youtube.com , or incase you don't have any recording program(fraps.com), make a screen by pressing f8 button on your keyboard. I warmly suggest using imgur.com (this is the site where you're able to upload any photos/pictures you wish to). I hope you understand that our staff has got life(hopefully like you), can't be 24/7 online, but will always make the server free from people using illegal ingame clients(hacks).
I seriously have no idea how you find or justify a point to complain about the admin staff of this server. Those retards kick ass and you should appreciate that they sacrifice their free time so that ungrateful people like you have a good time on the server.
BikeDriver having good words for the LW staff - that's it, i quit. My life is complete.
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Didn't read all the posts but bumping into cheaters is just part of the SA-MP experience. Its just something you have to deal with.
It's even worse now that we have skinhit and aimbotters.
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Didn't read all the posts but bumping into cheaters is just part of the SA-MP experience. Its just something you have to deal with.
It's even worse now that we have skinhit and aimbotters.
not as bad as spawning a heli into the ammunations floor and chop everyone who are inside it xD
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Didn't read all the posts but bumping into cheaters is just part of the SA-MP experience. Its just something you have to deal with.
It's even worse now that we have skinhit and aimbotters.
not as bad as spawning a heli into the ammunations floor and chop everyone who are inside it xD
Oh the good old days...
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Didn't read all the posts but bumping into cheaters is just part of the SA-MP experience. Its just something you have to deal with.
It's even worse now that we have skinhit and aimbotters.
not as bad as spawning a heli into the ammunations floor and chop everyone who are inside it xD
when did this happened? got any videos or screenshots??
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when did this happened? got any videos or screenshots??
that happened years ago
this topic is really useless. admins will be there when they are able to, you can't force them to come when they are needed. someone lock this pls :v
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this topic is really useless. admins will be there when they are able to, you can't force them to come when they are needed. someone lock this pls :v
Go, do your own SHIT. Admins will do what they feel right.
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this topic is really useless. admins will be there when they are able to, you can't force them to come when they are needed. someone lock this pls :v
Go, do your own SHIT. Admins will do what they feel right.
I've never before seen two guys so violently agreeing with each other.
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this topic is really useless. admins will be there when they are able to, you can't force them to come when they are needed. someone lock this pls :v
Go, do your own SHIT. Admins will do what they feel right.
I've never before seen two guys so violently agreeing with each other.
ahahah that's true xD
Anyways i'm locking this since we all talked it over enough
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Mr.DehshaT I'll make you admin but you have to be 24/7 on the server, therefore that means:
no sleeping
no eating
no pissing
no smoking (if you do)
no drinking (if you do)
no breaks (24/7!!!!!!)
no leaving the server
if you crash/disconnect you will be demoted
if people seen you away/disconnected results in a demotion and a permanent ban.
what do you think?